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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It's the truth, and truth is beautiful
    Well you and Catawba should go have a picnic together...you sound like you get along fine, both of you believing the president is a terrorist. I reckon you may have others join your party as well so bring extra napkins and bug spray.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Putting a bounty on all Muslims would be detrimental to US oil interests--i. e. the Saudi ruling family are Muslims--and so the military would never do that.
    Isn't their military Muslim as well? Consider the bounty available with just a few well placed bombs. Even at a hundred bucks each this could come to a tidy sum.

    Uncle sam only labels the Muslims that endanger US corporate interests as "terrorists" and put the bounties exclusively on their turbans.
    Actually Muslims have murdered innocent people at work, on their holidays, doing their shopping, eating in restaurants, on airplanes, cruise ships, going school, waiting at bus stops,etc. What "corporate interests" are you referring to?

    For example, if you live in a mineral rich country where your dictator signs an agreement w/Exxon to drill all over the place and only give a portion of the profits to the dictator and his family and none to the people, and you rebel against it, then uncle sam will brand you a "terrorist" since your actions impede Exxon.
    Perhaps a more specific example could be used, using specific data.

    However, if you fight for the dictator, you will branded a "rebel" since your actions help Exxon.
    You just make it up as you go along, I see.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't know about you, but I don't call someone that kills women and children in their sleep, one of my own.
    I would change "kills" to "targets", but he ain't one of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, but it should. I'm imagining the reaction here if a foreign soldier in the United States (and they are here all the time on training exercises) murdered 16 American women and children and his government insisted he could only be tried there.
    This is not just "what if" and "imagine". There are specific agreements in place and international agreement standing to consider. If they insisted on prosecuting soldiers (and others, depending on circumstance), they coulda pressed that issue during the most recent contract/agreement negotiations.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Great point. Terrorism is terrorism.
    I made that point long before, in this thread. We will prosecute him and there are much more interesting discussions to have in regard to this even than political talking points...

    Compared to Hasan? Death penalty (for both)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is much that liberals and libertarians have in common in regards to foreign policy.
    It's where I leave libertarians (my green is free-market-based).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Paul is really NOT an isolationist...
    He meant in context of foreign military policy (thus, the mentioning of hawkishness). Closing all foreign bases is crazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When a Muslim does much the same thing these excuses are never made. It seems that just being a Muslim is a ready made excuse.
    All excuses are always made. Some get more attention and some are more relevant. See also: 'blowback'.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    wow, that is cuckoo bannanas!
    Such seems common around here.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Ecofarm: All excuses are always made. Some get more attention and some are more relevant. See also: 'blowback'.
    My point was regarding the excuses that are offered. If an American commits this sort of atrocity he is thought to be insane. No such excuse would ever be attributed to a Muslim for doing the same thing.

    Did you ever hear of anyone suggesting that any Islamic terrorist was insane?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    My point was regarding the excuses that are offered. If an American commits this sort of atrocity he is thought to be insane. No such excuse would ever be attributed to a Muslim for doing the same thing.

    Did you ever hear of anyone suggesting that any Islamic terrorist was insane?
    how many 'sane' people do you know who blow themselves up?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how many 'sane' people do you know who blow themselves up?
    How about an example?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how many 'sane' people do you know who blow themselves up?
    Insanity would equate to a LACK of mental ability and resolve. People that commit such acts may be extremists...may be ideologues...but they arent 'insane'.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    It is never a good idea to talk without having the facts. What did Obama say in his apology? He didn't know how it happened nor did he know why. Yes it is important the facts of the case.
    Fact, a soldier went into a town and killed 9 children/3 women.

    Fact, that deserves an apology

    Fact, it does not matter what was the reasons for these killings

    Not a fact, but I do think that President Obama knew a lot more than you and I did about this case from the media. President Obama has sources that we do not have and he might have known a lot more before he made his apology.

    Now an opinion but something that is just as factual to me, it doesn't matter what the circumstances were, an apology for the loss of lives was the least Obama could do IMHO.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    They are. . .



    The US military uses violence (in Afghanistan, Iraq) and the threat of violence (i. e. comply w/inspections or-else) to coerce others (enemy forces into surrendering, countries to disarm) for political purposes.

    Therefore, they're terrorists.
    lol, it also requires being of a sub-national character and targeting non-military and/or non-strategic targets, IE killing as many innocent people as possible with the simple intention of causing terror in a civilian population, the U.S. does its utmost to mitigate civilian casualties, your definition is a joke both legally and morally or a military no matter how just its cause would be considered a terrorist organization, next time grow up and don't get political definitions from a free dictionary, try a text book.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There is no evidence that the US troop that fired on the civilians was not given an order to do so from a superior, or even if he had not been given an order, had a legitimate military reason for killing them.
    There's no evidence that he was not brainwashed by an extraterrestrial in order to kill these innocent civilians, we don't have all the facts yet and we may never know the truth (since those aliens don't want the world to know of their secret plans for galactic domination).

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