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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What I said is true (relative to human empathy). What you said is a prediction of the future which, by definition, cannot be true or false since it hasn't happened.


    This is a different argument from saying that some people will be "happy" this happened as you did originally. I still find it odd that out of all the thoughts this event brings up, you consider this to be the thing to mention.
    I stand by what I said originally. Most people revel in the successes of our military, but there are those who revel in their failings. Do you really deny that?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I stand by what I said originally. Most people revel in the successes of our military, but there are those who revel in their failings. Do you really deny that?
    This is not a failure of our military. This is a "**** happens" kinda thing. It's tragic, but the truth is these things will happen in war and nothing we do will change that.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I stand by what I said originally. Most people revel in the successes of our military, but there are those who revel in their failings.
    I stand by my original comments that your original post was baseless and out of place. I also stand by the assertion that it's odd and questionable that you would chose to concentrate first and foremost on smearing other people based on actions that they haven't committed and ignoring the actual sad part of what has happened.

    Do you really deny that?
    This isn't a failure of our military. This is the action of an individual that has destroyed the lives of many people. Saying that some anti-war people will be "happy" that some guy killed 16 civilians and destroyed many lives is a far cry from saying that some people "revel" in military failings. You're backtracking. Moreover, anti-war people are usually anti-war because they cannot stand it when things like this happen so it seems like you, as you often do, are twisting what people actually stand for in order to smear people you disagree with.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Being in a war is a mind bending experience, it brings out the best in some, the worst in others and now and then somebody just snaps. We owe no apology for one of our soldiers snapping during the process of trying to liberate Afghanistan from tyranny.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Being in a war is a mind bending experience, it brings out the best in some, the worst in others and now and then somebody just snaps. We owe no apology for one of our soldiers snapping during the process of trying to liberate Afghanistan from tyranny.
    Yes, we do. And you know what? I'm really sick of this blindingly prideful mentality that people use to evaluate the US military. The man killed 16 CIVILIANS. Even if the toils of war made him snap, even if our military is doing the best it can and even if the United States is the objective "good guy" of the world, honorable people and nations apologize when they are wrong - they apologize when they or one of their citizens commit callous actions beyond the scope of combat while officially representing the country. It doesn't make us weak and it doesn't mean we are any less "good". In fact, it makes us better.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is not a failure of our military. This is a "**** happens" kinda thing. It's tragic, but the truth is these things will happen in war and nothing we do will change that.
    Point well taken. My phrasing basically conceded this as failure for our military, when it isn't. I stand corrected.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yes, we do. And you know what? I'm really sick of this blindingly prideful mentality that people use to evaluate the US military. The man killed 16 CIVILIANS. Even if the toils of war made him snap, even if our military is doing the best it can and even if the United States is the objective "good guy" of the world, honorable people and nations apologize when they are wrong - they apologize when they or one of their citizens commit callous actions beyond the scope of combat while officially representing the country. It doesn't make us weak and it doesn't mean we are any less "good". In fact, it makes us better.
    When we are interacting with other cultures, it is imperative that we operate within those cultures. All of our Rules of Engagement are geared to do exactly that. If Afghani's (Taliban, too) see an apology as a sign of weakness, then an apology shouldn't be forthcoming. How much good did it do to apologize for burning the Korans? And what good does a mere apology do anyway?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    This one merits an apology from Obama.

    Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians
    What are we supposed to be debating here?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What are we supposed to be debating here?
    Good point.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Afghan President Hamid Karzai said nine children and three women were among those killed, and condemned the shootings as "an assassination."

    “This is an assassination, an intentional killing of innocent civilians and cannot be forgiven,” Mr. Karzai said in a statement. He said he has repeatedly demanded the U.S. stop killing Afghan civilians.
    NATO apologizes after U.S. soldier opens fire on Afghan civilians - The Globe and Mail

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