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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There is no evidence that the US troop that fired on the civilians was not given an order to do so from a superior, or even if he had not been given an order, had a legitimate military reason for killing them.

    There is no evidence he was from the future sent back to protect the planet from a chain of events so great, it would have been our demise!
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Wouldn't it be better to wait and see all the facts of this tragic case before passing judgement?

    Like I said in post #223 the soldier might have had brain damage.

    Let's not be so quick to be sceptical or not sceptical, shall we?
    There is also no way to know, for a fact, if his brain damage affected his judgement.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    There is no evidence he was from the future sent back to protect the planet from a chain of events so great, it would have been our demise!
    If there's no evidence, then why are you assuming that's what happened

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There is also no way to know, for a fact, if his brain damage affected his judgement.
    But it's worth consideration because traumatic brain injury is known to affect judgment.

    Here's a discussion of an article published in the journal Pediatrics about cognitive problems manifesting years after an injury:

    Can suffering a head injury make a person more violent later in life?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't care if he was the Pope, when someone kills women and children in their sleep, they no longer have my allegiance, or my sympathies. I can only hope that some good comes of this in the form of a strong antiwar movement in both countries that ends this war sooner.
    Fortunately, there are people who do care, that will hopefully be able to study this event, and find ways to prevent actions like this from happening again in the future. And give me a break, of all the wrongful deaths, collateral damage done, and public outcry, you really think this is going to end the war? Keep dreaming.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    But it's worth consideration because traumatic brain injury is known to affect judgment.

    Here's a discussion of an article published in the journal Pediatrics about cognitive problems manifesting years after an injury:

    Can suffering a head injury make a person more violent later in life?
    as much as i would want to agree with this rationalization in an emotional, jingoistic way, i have to then recognize if this staff sergeant's judgment was so impaired, he should not have been on the line
    like the shrink in uniform before him, whose actions provided very strong clues of mental instability, if this was due to the neglect of his supervisors, then they too need to be brought to justice
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There is no evidence that the US troop that fired on the civilians was not given an order to do so from a superior, or even if he had not been given an order, had a legitimate military reason for killing them.

    It's possible that one of the above was true, or that one is true and not the other, or the killings were purely random. We don't know. We don't have all the facts about this particular case, and sadly, we may never know the truth (since uncle sam has a fondness for obscuring it).

    All that is known is that massacres are a commonplace occurrence in war--they are a statistical reality in any long-term combat situation, regardless of whether the massacres are done for military purposes or are random.

    If you start a war, then be prepared to accept it.
    There is also no evidence that the soldier had been ordered to go around murdering locals, in fact, it is highly unlikely and even not probable that a superior would ever give such an order.

    Also, there is a difference between a massacre during the heat of battle (also not good but it happens occasionally) and what this soldier had done.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    RIP. I wish to express sorrow at the Afghan loss of life, and injuries. The account of eye witnesses decribe more mayhem, than the execution-style event, described in Western news media.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    as much as i would want to agree with this rationalization in an emotional, jingoistic way, i have to then recognize if this staff sergeant's judgment was so impaired, he should not have been on the line
    like the shrink in uniform before him, whose actions provided very strong clues of mental instability, if this was due to the neglect of his supervisors, then they too need to be brought to justice
    I suppose we're all going to learn a lot about this guy in the coming days and months. I don't know enough to have formed an opinion, and I'm not a shrink. I don't know whether it's possible that there weren't "signs" and that this guy just snapped. Can TBI present this way?

    Whatever his deal turns out to be, I think we can safely assume that anybody who goes house to house and executes little kids has snapped.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I suppose we're all going to learn a lot about this guy in the coming days and months. I don't know enough to have formed an opinion, and I'm not a shrink. I don't know whether it's possible that there weren't "signs" and that this guy just snapped. Can TBI present this way?

    Whatever his deal turns out to be, I think we can safely assume that anybody who goes house to house and executes little kids has snapped.
    What's interesting is that this guy is taken as an exception, which he is, and that he "just snapped", or that there might have been serious psychological or physical brain damage.

    When a Muslim does much the same thing these excuses are never made. It seems that just being a Muslim is a ready made excuse.

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