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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    OK, time for the truth

    Massacres and rapes are a necessary reality in any war. Some of them occur for legitimate military reasons (i. e. the civilian in question is suspected of aiding the enemy in some way), and some of them occur simply because there's no one "policing" the war.

    It's totally naive to believe that the incident described here is an exception to the rule. In war, these massacres are far more commonplace than the times they're actually exposed to global media coverage. It's reasonable to expect that US troops massacre civilians and rape kids every day, just as the Taliban or other competing Afghan factions do, simply because that's what happens in war, regardless of the parties involved.

    The notion that this kind of thing is a rare occurrence is just more propoganda from uncle sam to appease the ignorant (childish) American public.

    That being said, if one is unwilling to accept these massacres as a cost of a war, i. e. if one doesn't believe that the importance of the mission of the war outweighs these kinds of brutalities (rapes, massacres, tortures, corpse urinations), then the war should not be started, period.

    Since the war in Afghanistan has no meaningful mission at all (except possibly to create a government that will allow American firms to mine and exploit Afghanistan's natural resources and labor), its benefits clearly do not out weight its brutal costs. Therefore, the war should be terminated.

    Unfortunately, since the US is not a democracy, the American people have no say in that.
    Absolute nonsense, from the first sentence to the last.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Wouldn't it be better to wait and see all the facts of this tragic case before passing judgement?

    Like I said in post #223 the soldier might have had brain damage.

    Let's not be so quick to be sceptical or not sceptical, shall we?
    How many ways can the cold blooded murder of 9 children and 3 women be excused? If he had brain damage, does that make it OK and beyond any criticism or - god forbid - apology?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post

    So, my conclusion (and for that matter also of Factcheck) is that all this nonsense about apologies is just
    So making excuses and justifying them away and it's all BS. I envy your simple reality.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So making excuses and justifying them away and it's all BS. I envy your simple reality.
    No, I do not have a simple reality, reality is always difficult. However, I live in this reality, people who however keep claiming that Obama is an apology machine are not living in any reality but a dreamworld that only a true conservative could ever see as anything resembling reality.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    How many ways can the cold blooded murder of 9 children and 3 women be excused? If he had brain damage, does that make it OK and beyond any criticism or - god forbid - apology?

    Did I say excused? Show me where I said excused!

    All I am saying is wait for all the fact of this tragic situation be known.

    Does that sound reasonable?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Wouldn't it be better to wait and see all the facts of this tragic case before passing judgement?

    Like I said in post #223 the soldier might have had brain damage.

    Let's not be so quick to be sceptical or not sceptical, shall we?

    By all means we should see the facts here. This is another situation, albeit more tragic, of a US service member acting in a manner that does not speak to what a soldier could and should be. As a nation, we are failing our military by not providing the means to accomplish the mission not are we allowing them to come home without incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Really? That's disconnected. It gets worse if someone presumes that Afghans do not understand that there are crazy people and we prosecute them. We do not hold them up as idols or glorify them as 'martyrs'. We prosecute them; they are criminals. Losing sight of this simple concept is like losing sight of illegal/improper use is misuse.

    There are crazies in every group. The only real question is, does the group support, condone or otherwise advocate such atrocity. In the case of the US, no. In the case of terrorists, yes. He could very well be put to death via military court. I'm not sure how insanity pleas work in the UCMJ, but some member probably knows.

    Yes, we're sorry that we cannot catch all the crazies before they go total wackjob. We don't manage to do it in the US either, military nor civilian. We are also committed to seeing justice served. He's not a hero.
    We can still apologize, send condolences, prosecute, and perhaps offer blood money. Politics is more nuanced and gray than what many on here are trying to say on here

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    I'm waiting for someone to blame this on Obama.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I'm waiting for someone to blame this on Obama.
    Yeah...as if he's the commander in chief of the miltiary, or something and commanders are responsible for the conduct of their soldiers. Totally rediculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I'm waiting for someone to blame this on Obama.
    The Republi-trash in Washington and conservative media sewage already do.

    It's Obama's fault and even proof that he's a Muslim, because he dared to ask for an apology for this massacre and the burning of the Koran books a few days ago.
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