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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    As this involved children, going house to house and doing this alone I cannot see any rational motivation behind this soldiers behavior. There may never be an answer that any person can understand. This complicates and already tenuous relationship with the People Of Afghanistan. Terrible tragedy.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No. We do not, nor should we ever, do this.
    Is that what is known as American exceptionalism? I guess it's the prerogative of an invading superpower, no?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Actually, what's sad is that 16 civilians are dead and one US soldier who probably should have been in a psych ward just took their lives, destroyed their families, ruined his life, hurt his own family tremendously and may have put the lives of American soldiers in addition to the mission at risk. That is what is sad. Your comment is just baseless and out of place.
    All that you've said is true, which makes it all the more sad that which I've said is also true. I do want to emphasize some, in fact, probably very few, but there are those that will attempt to use this to condemn all our military and the USA as a whole.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    All that you've said is true, which makes it all the more sad that which I've said is also true.
    What I said is true (relative to human empathy). What you said is a prediction of the future which, by definition, cannot be true or false since it hasn't happened.

    I do want to emphasize some, in fact, probably very few, but there are those that will attempt to use this to condemn all our military and the USA as a whole.
    This is a different argument from saying that some people will be "happy" this happened as you did originally. I still find it odd that out of all the thoughts this event brings up, you consider this to be the thing to mention.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    This is indeed a terrible incident, it is tempered for me at least by the violence perpetrated, and the murders committed in the name of a freakin' book getting burned. In my opinion, we just need to get out, stay out, and let them go back to killing each other.

    I can imagine a soldier, losing it under the circumstances we have created, and I am not in any way condoning these actions.

    We are over there trying to "Spread Freedom", our soldiers are under constant threat by the folks we are trying to help...and they have big guns.
    I am honestly amazed this sort of thing does not occur far more often.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    This one merits an apology from Obama.

    Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians
    I'm sick and tired of us apologizing to Afghanistan.

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    This is a very unfortunate incident, a senseless tragedy. Words cannot express our outrage that these 16 civilians were gunned down by a US soldier. The American people sincerely sympathize with the people who were effected by this senseless tragedy. We regret this happened and will do everything we can to assist the families involved. The soldier involved has been taken into custody and will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
    If that's not enough, **** 'em.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Is that what is known as American exceptionalism? I guess it's the prerogative of an invading superpower, no?

    Absolutely not, it was a bargained for right that the US has jurisdiction over it's military personal whether acting in a military capacity or outside the course of their duties. There is not an example of "American execptionalism", rather, relinquishing custody is the cost of doing business for Afghanistan.


    An agreement exists regarding the status of military and civilian personnel of the U.S. Department of Defense present in Afghanistan in connection with cooperative efforts in response to terrorism, humanitarian and civic assistance, military training and exercises, and other activities. Such personnel are to be accorded “a status equivalent to that accorded to the administrative and technical staff” of the U.S. Embassy under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961. Accordingly, U.S. personnel are immune from criminal prosecution by Afghan authorities, and are immune from civil and administrative jurisdiction except with respect to acts performed outside the course of their duties. In the agreement, the Islamic Transitional Government of Afghanistan (ITGA)48 explicitly authorized the U.S. government to exercise criminal jurisdiction over U.S. personnel, and the Government of Afghanistan is not permitted to surrender U.S. personnel to the custody of another State, international tribunal, or any other entity without consent of the U.S. government. Although the agreement was signed by the ITGA, the subsequently elected Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan assumed responsibility for ITGA’s legal obligations and the agreement remains in force. The agreement does not appear to provide immunity for contract personnel.
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL34531.pdf

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    I think we gave given enough of our time, resources, personnel and dignity to this situation get our people home.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    We are over there trying to "Spread Freedom", our soldiers are under constant threat by the folks we are trying to help...and they have big guns.
    Well, it's not like we're trying to help out of the goodness of our hearts. We went to Afghanistan to get our enemies and now we're trying to not leave the place completely effed up.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    we're trying to not leave the place completely effed up.
    The place has always been completely effed up and its culture will ensure that it will continue to be completely effed up.

    Ain't nothing we can do about it.
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