Page 17 of 45 FirstFirst ... 7151617181927 ... LastLast
Results 161 to 170 of 446

Thread: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

  1. #161
    Guru

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    06-28-17 @ 10:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,909

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In a previous post someone suggested that in US military justice there is no insanity plea available. Can anyone throw some light on this? Is this true?
    It is called:

    Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
    ART. 50a. DEFENSE OF LACK OF MENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

    (a) It is an affirmative defense in a trial by court-martial that, at the time of the commission of the acts constituting the offense, the accused, as a result of a sever mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of the acts.

  2. #162
    versus the world
    Surtr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    The greatest planet in the world.
    Last Seen
    06-10-14 @ 03:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    7,017

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    It is unfortunate that three disturbing events happenned within the last 8 weeks - one was accidental and the other two as some say attributed to combat fatique.

    U.S. 'can't whitewash murder'

    Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
    Nope, they just blame the symptom, instead of the cause. This guy had 4 deployments, 3 in Iraq, 1 in Afghanistan. There's absolutely no reason why any Service Member should be deployed that many times in one war. You have no idea what that can do to a person.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

  3. #163
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Republic of Florida
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 12:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    14,003

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    This seems pretty simple. Assuming hes guilty, either the guy should be an institution or executed. But none of this changes the original mission, to stop Afghanistan from being a safe haven for enemies of the US. If the NATO leaves, what happens to Afghanistan? To the security of the US, as well as the innocent people who live there?

  4. #164
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    It is called:

    Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
    ART. 50a. DEFENSE OF LACK OF MENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

    (a) It is an affirmative defense in a trial by court-martial that, at the time of the commission of the acts constituting the offense, the accused, as a result of a sever mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of the acts.
    Thank you. That does sound somewhat different although no easier to prove, I'd have thought. Is this what the Ft. Hood shooter is claiming?
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  5. #165
    Sage
    RDS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Singapore
    Last Seen
    10-10-17 @ 05:51 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    5,398

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Nope, they just blame the symptom, instead of the cause. This guy had 4 deployments, 3 in Iraq, 1 in Afghanistan. There's absolutely no reason why any Service Member should be deployed that many times in one war. You have no idea what that can do to a person.
    You got to convince the Afgan people.

  6. #166
    versus the world
    Surtr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    The greatest planet in the world.
    Last Seen
    06-10-14 @ 03:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    7,017

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    You got to convince the Afgan people.
    They aren't the ones turning their backs on their own like a lamb to the slaughter because it's the PC thing to do.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

  7. #167
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,600

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Not for nothin...but isnt it at least a LITTLE bit strange that the burning of the Kuran incites weeks of rioting and 2 score dead bodies (many of them Muslims), and yet the very tragic deaths of 16 men women and children...and...nothing? Guess the Taliban hasnt had enough time to gin up some outrage. Or maybe with 'only' 16 dead (chump change considering the number of Muslims killed by Muslims daily) they really ARENT all that worked up about it? Of course...many of the dead WERE women and children so its not like they were that important to them. Still...you would think they would follow the whole "never let a tragedy go to waste" philosophy and get things happening. I guess we can be thankful for some things...

  8. #168
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not for nothin...but isnt it at least a LITTLE bit strange that the burning of the Kuran incites weeks of rioting and 2 score dead bodies (many of them Muslims), and yet the very tragic deaths of 16 men women and children...and...nothing? Guess the Taliban hasnt had enough time to gin up some outrage. Or maybe with 'only' 16 dead (chump change considering the number of Muslims killed by Muslims daily) they really ARENT all that worked up about it? Of course...many of the dead WERE women and children so its not like they were that important to them. Still...you would think they would follow the whole "never let a tragedy go to waste" philosophy and get things happening. I guess we can be thankful for some things...

    This just happened yesterday. Just because nothing's happened yet doesn't mean nothing will happen at all. I think it's very probable that there will be a great amount of backlash.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  9. #169
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Nope, they just blame the symptom, instead of the cause. This guy had 4 deployments, 3 in Iraq, 1 in Afghanistan. There's absolutely no reason why any Service Member should be deployed that many times in one war. You have no idea what that can do to a person.
    If a war is long enough, then there sure as hell is a reason. There are guys who have done six, seven, eight tours of duty without committing the acts that this guy has, not to mention the guy's comrades, some of whom I'm sure have been deployed just as much as he has without killing sixteen civilians. It is idiotic to attribute the cause of this incident to the number of deployments, seeing as this sergeant is an exception to the rule.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  10. #170
    Guru

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    In a Blue State
    Last Seen
    12-07-17 @ 03:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,732

    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Nope, they just blame the symptom, instead of the cause. This guy had 4 deployments, 3 in Iraq, 1 in Afghanistan. There's absolutely no reason why any Service Member should be deployed that many times in one war. You have no idea what that can do to a person.
    Or their family.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

Page 17 of 45 FirstFirst ... 7151617181927 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •