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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Iirc, insanity doesn't work in a military court. If it doesn't, then he could be the first military execution in a while. The Ft. Hood guy escaped execution via insanity? No, he got shot and messed up, right? I don't remember what happened with that guy.
    He's in a padded cell most likely. And happened to be rather insane.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    I checked wiki, see edit above.


    What if the Ft. Hood guy gets death and the guy in Afghan doesn't?

    The guys are terrorists. I think they both get firing lines. Isn't that how the military does it? I don't support capital punishment, but if it must happen then I'd let some of their soldiers/family stand in the firing line for the guy in Afghan.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 03-12-12 at 05:01 AM.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Really? That's disconnected. It gets worse if someone presumes that Afghans do not understand that there are crazy people and we prosecute them. We do not hold them up as idols or glorify them as 'martyrs'. We prosecute them; they are criminals. Losing sight of this simple concept is like losing sight of illegal/improper use is misuse.

    There are crazies in every group. The only real question is, does the group support, condone or otherwise advocate such atrocity. In the case of the US, no. In the case of terrorists, yes. He could very well be put to death via military court. I'm not sure how insanity pleas work in the UCMJ, but some member probably knows.

    Yes, we're sorry that we cannot catch all the crazies before they go total wackjob. We don't manage to do it in the US either, military nor civilian. We are also committed to seeing justice served. He's not a hero.

    You need to convince the Afghans of this, not me! It is the Afghans that may retaliate and kill coalition forces, not me. It is the Afghans that can kick our ass out of their country, not me?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'll reserve judgement. It just sounded strange to me, to do something entirely irrational and then something completely rational within minutes rang alarms.
    The effects of combat fatigue are unpredictable. I don't know what happened to him, but he definitely needs to be examined by a psychiatric specialist before further actions are taken.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think they both get firing lines. Isn't that how the military does it?
    Yeah, in the 1950's.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    When we are interacting with other cultures, it is imperative that we operate within those cultures....snip....
    I suppose this incident can be viewed as "Operating within the Culture"....a rogue Afghan soldier shots our guys, and then one of ours shoots Afghans. It seems the culture we are operating in has no problem killing their own civilians, but Allah forbid we burn a damn book.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    It is unfortunate that three disturbing events happenned within the last 8 weeks - one was accidental and the other two as some say attributed to combat fatique.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Absolutely tragic. This soldier clearly had a breakdown, and his immediate superior should have seen it coming and done something about it. Now more than a dozen Afghans are dead, the soldier's life is basically over, and this all could have been avoided if we hadn't mired our poor soldiers in a decade-old war where they are unable to tell friend from foe.

    As for Obama apologizing, sure. Just as soon as Karzai starts apologizing every time our soldiers are murdered by Afghan police and Afghan military, which has been happening for years.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The effects of combat fatigue are unpredictable. I don't know what happened to him, but he definitely needs to be examined by a psychiatric specialist before further actions are taken.
    In a previous post someone suggested that in US military justice there is no insanity plea available. Can anyone throw some light on this? Is this true?
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In a previous post someone suggested that in US military justice there is no insanity plea available. Can anyone throw some light on this? Is this true?
    I can, that statement is crap. Soldiers that have psychological breakdowns are "section 8'ed", and put into a secure installation for detainment, psychiatric observation, and care.
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