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Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

SypherAL said:
I'm waiting for someone to blame this on Obama.
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I know...right? I mean its not like liberals blamed every problem in the world...ever...on Bush, right. How ****ing stupid would people have to be to do THAT?
 
VanceMack said:
I know...right? I mean its not like liberals blamed every problem in the world...ever...on Bush, right. How ****ing stupid would people have to be to do THAT?
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2 bankrupting wars, global financial collapse, no big deal!
 
Catawba said:
I don't know about you, but I don't call someone that kills women and children in their sleep, one of my own.
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He's an American, and he's a Soldier. 4 deployments, plus a TBI, and nobody took him out of rotation for examination. Sorry, I'm not rushing to judgment on this.
 
Lokiate said:
He's an American, and he's a Soldier. 4 deployments, plus a TBI, and nobody took him out of rotation for examination. Sorry, I'm not rushing to judgment on this.
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I don't care if he was the Pope, when someone kills women and children in their sleep, they no longer have my allegiance, or my sympathies. I can only hope that some good comes of this in the form of a strong antiwar movement in both countries that ends this war sooner.
 
Wiggen said:
How many ways can the cold blooded murder of 9 children and 3 women be excused? If he had brain damage, does that make it OK and beyond any criticism or - god forbid - apology?
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W = the war
S1 = US forces
S2 = Enemy forces, including Taliban
O(W) = the military objective of W
B(O) = the long-term benefit of O
C(W) = the long-term cost of W (including the deaths of innocent men, women, and children)
J = boolean value indicating whether a murder committed by S1 is justified

then

J = B(O) > C(W)

QED
 
Mya said:
Wouldn't it be better to wait and see all the facts of this tragic case before passing judgement?

Like I said in post #223 the soldier might have had brain damage.

Let's not be so quick to be sceptical or not sceptical, shall we?
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It appears to be you that is rushing to find mitigating circumstances to explain this incident. I would mainatin a sceptical stance towards everything that is being said from all quarters until more information appears. I doubt the truth of everything that has so far emerged.
 
Catawba said:
I have never once condoned terrorism, no matter the flag under which it is done.

"Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore" - John Prine
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What "flag" was this guys "terrorism" done?


The dude had a TBI apparently, was cleared, and snapped. War is hell, and the only "victims" aren't just the dead over there in Afghanistan, He had a wife, two kids, Can you tell me why the **** we are still in Afghanistan? where are the giant protests?
 
hazlnut said:
My heart goes out the innocent people murdered by an unstable American solider.

I understand that Obama has apologized.

Let this being a teaching moment, and spend some more time and possibly money safe-guarding the mental health of those who sacrifice so much for this country.
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I agree.... Too bad Obama wants to increase the co-pay these soldiers and thier families have to pay. :doh
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I agree.... Too bad Obama wants to increase the co-pay these soldiers and thier families have to pay. :doh
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Wow, what a cheap shot in not the right thread for it. And then not even classy enough to provide a link that documents what you are saying.

Jesus, man.
 
whysoserious said:
Wow, what a cheap shot in not the right thread for it. And then not even classy enough to provide a link that documents what you are saying.

Jesus, man.
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As a combat veteran, and one who volunteers and works with the Wounded Warrior Project, your partisan hackery outrage is noted. I can't think of a more appropriate place for this. And it was an appropriate response to hazlnut's post. The current story is he had a tbi, it was missed, lets say it was caught, the administration would be trying to make his families cost go up..... yup "thanks for your service, we need more of what little we pay you, but our uninized civillians don't"


http://news.yahoo.com/obama-thanks-military-tripling-tricare-premiums-235100402.html
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
As a combat veteran, and one who volunteers and works with the Wounded Warrior Project, your partisan hackery outrage is noted. I can't think of a more appropriate place for this. And it was an appropriate response to hazlnut's post. The current story is he had a tbi, it was missed, lets say it was caught, the administration would be trying to make his families cost go up..... yup "thanks for your service, we need more of what little we pay you, but our uninized civillians don't"

Obama Thanks Military for Service by Tripling Tricare Premiums - Yahoo! News
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Yes, I am a hack and you think this story is appropriate in a thread titled, "Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians". Alright, buddy.

I suggest if you want to discuss this issue, you could start your own thread with a news source that isn't a commentary.

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And since you chose a commentary, you missed a half the story:
A White House statement says the current 20-year military retirement system is outdated and needs an overhaul, but it pledges that any change should not apply to those already retired or currently serving.
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Also:
Tricare pharmacy co-payments would increase to more closely match federal employee benefits under the Obama plan. A White House fact sheet says the changes would not apply to active-duty members, but would apply to all active-duty family members and all retirees, regardless of age.
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So he is raising co-pays to the already "socialized" level that federal employees currently pay. What a dick.
 
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whysoserious said:
Yes, I am a hack and you think this story is appropriate in a thread titled, "Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians". Alright, buddy.

I suggest if you want to discuss this issue, you could start your own thread with a news source that isn't a commentary.
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I retorted to another posters commentary, agreeing with, and adding to that posters point. I am sorry you feel your god king Obama can do no wrong, but he can.


Brain injuries are a very serious thing, one that we have only scratched the surface in understanding and diagnosis. This man, apparently had a TBI, yet was cleared not only to return but his request for sniper school was accepted.... We missed the boat with this guy, However if we had sent him home, maybe he snap when he starts seeing his co-pay's for his family triples and kills some of those unionized civillians working on the base. Who knows.


They went off to fight a war for you, are you an abled bodied mail? why did you choose not to sign up and go to war? The least we can do for our warfighters is be vigilant on both diagnosing TBI's and not tripling thier families co-pays.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
2 bankrupting wars, global financial collapse, no big deal!
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Ah! So it IS all the presidents fault...I mean...when it is THAT president...But not THIS president...after all...he's just a president...I mean...its not like he has any real power...

classic...

:lamo
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
They went off to fight a war for you, are you an abled bodied mail? why did you choose not to sign up and go to war? The least we can do for our warfighters is be vigilant on both diagnosing TBI's and not tripling thier families co-pays.
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Unfortunately, I am not an able-bodied mail. Sadly I am but flesh and bones. That's a great argument, by the way, "if you want an opinion on this issue then you better have joined the military!" More classiness from you.

ReverendHellh0und said:
I retorted to another posters commentary, agreeing with, and adding to that posters point. I am sorry you feel your god king Obama can do no wrong, but he can.
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Yeah, a positive-thinking post that says we should do a better job taking care of our soldiers mental health.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Brain injuries are a very serious thing, one that we have only scratched the surface in understanding and diagnosis. This man, apparently had a TBI, yet was cleared not only to return but his request for sniper school was accepted.... We missed the boat with this guy, However if we had sent him home, maybe he snap when he starts seeing his co-pay's for his family triples and kills some of those unionized civillians working on the base. Who knows.
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Sounds horrible. That's a very sad situation, which is all the more reason for you to not take cheap shots in this thread and open a new one if you want to discuss the possible raising of co-pays for military family members.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
As a combat veteran, and one who volunteers and works with the Wounded Warrior Project, your partisan hackery outrage is noted. I can't think of a more appropriate place for this. And it was an appropriate response to hazlnut's post. The current story is he had a tbi, it was missed, lets say it was caught, the administration would be trying to make his families cost go up..... yup "thanks for your service, we need more of what little we pay you, but our uninized civillians don't"

Obama Thanks Military for Service by Tripling Tricare Premiums - Yahoo! News
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Interesting link. Can you explain what a tbi is? Tx.

This health insurance premium increase is a kick in the ass -- but the end-resulting premium is still very cheap. What bothers me most about it is that, compared to other Federal health insurance premiums, it's probably higher. When are we going to overhaul the whole stinkin' mess?
 
MaggieD said:
Interesting link. Can you explain what a tbi is? Tx.

This health insurance premium increase is a kick in the ass -- but the end-resulting premium is still very cheap. What bothers me most about it is that, compared to other Federal health insurance premiums, it's probably higher. When are we going to overhaul the whole stinkin' mess?
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tramatic brain injury.


Traumatic brain injury - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




The real kick in the ass is that while the service members costs go up, the gs-3 sitting next to him does not.
 
whysoserious said:
Unfortunately, I am not an able-bodied mail. Sadly I am but flesh and bones. That's a great argument, by the way, "if you want an opinion on this issue then you better have joined the military!" More classiness from you.
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that's not what I said, and you completley ignored:


"The least we can do for our warfighters is be vigilant on both diagnosing TBI's and not tripling thier families co-pays."


Why so silent, panda?



Yeah, a positive-thinking post that says we should do a better job taking care of our soldiers mental health.
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One would think one of those "positives" would be not tripleing co-pay rates :prof


Sounds horrible. That's a very sad situation, which is all the more reason for you to not take cheap shots in this thread and open a new one if you want to discuss the possible raising of co-pays for military family members.
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Maybe you should stop whining and report me or something..... This soldier had a TBI, was cleared, and sent back to war. It was a missed step on our part. If he was home, maybe he doesn't go get care when his co-pay triples, snapps, and opens fire at the chucky cheese you took your kids to that day....

like hazlnut says, let this be a teachable moment.
 
There is no evidence that the US troop that fired on the civilians was not given an order to do so from a superior, or even if he had not been given an order, had a legitimate military reason for killing them.

It's possible that one of the above was true, or that one is true and not the other, or the killings were purely random. We don't know. We don't have all the facts about this particular case, and sadly, we may never know the truth (since uncle sam has a fondness for obscuring it).

All that is known is that massacres are a commonplace occurrence in war--they are a statistical reality in any long-term combat situation, regardless of whether the massacres are done for military purposes or are random.

If you start a war, then be prepared to accept it.
 
solletica said:
There is no evidence that the US troop that fired on the civilians was not given an order to do so from a superior, or even if he had not been given an order, had a legitimate military reason for killing them.
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There is no evidence he was from the future sent back to protect the planet from a chain of events so great, it would have been our demise!
 
Mya said:
Wouldn't it be better to wait and see all the facts of this tragic case before passing judgement?

Like I said in post #223 the soldier might have had brain damage.

Let's not be so quick to be sceptical or not sceptical, shall we?
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There is also no way to know, for a fact, if his brain damage affected his judgement.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
There is no evidence he was from the future sent back to protect the planet from a chain of events so great, it would have been our demise!
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If there's no evidence, then why are you assuming that's what happened :rolleyes:
 
Catawba said:
I don't care if he was the Pope, when someone kills women and children in their sleep, they no longer have my allegiance, or my sympathies. I can only hope that some good comes of this in the form of a strong antiwar movement in both countries that ends this war sooner.
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Fortunately, there are people who do care, that will hopefully be able to study this event, and find ways to prevent actions like this from happening again in the future. And give me a break, of all the wrongful deaths, collateral damage done, and public outcry, you really think this is going to end the war? Keep dreaming.
 
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