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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    They want the soldier to be handed over and tried under Afghan laws.

    US soldier kills Afghans in shooting spree - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
    Works for me.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Works for me.
    As matter of law this will not happen.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    It wasn't just Taliban rioting and killing over the Koran burning.
    Ah....you get a bit closer to what you are actually talking about...

    Unfortunately for your argument, the Taliban did take credit for the deaths of the US personnel in Kabul after the Koran burning.

    So...you are trying to draw a parallel between the general Afghan population reacting to the burning of their holy text...and the US soldier(s) who were reacting to what we don't know?

    Again, it seems you believe Karzai is supposed to be responsible for the actions of the Afghan population AND the Taliban.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just treating him exactly the same as if it was an Afghan or a Muslim that went crazy against US troops/citizens.
    Why would they want to do that?

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The US are not invaders in Afghanistan any US involvement is done by agreement with the Afghan government.
    The AIA was not the government of Afghanistan when the Allies invaded. It was installed by the invading forces.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The AIA was not the government of Afghanistan when the Allies invaded. It was installed by the invading forces.
    Actually the present government of Afghanistan was installed by the Afghanistan people through the electoral process.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually the present government of Afghanistan was installed by the Afghanistan people through the electoral process.
    Connery was referring to the AIA.
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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The AIA was not the government of Afghanistan when the Allies invaded.
    I agree.


    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Connery was referring to the AIA.
    I was speaking to legitimacy of those agreements regarding the treatment and jurisdiction of US military personnel survived the AIA through today. In reference to your post regarding "American exceptionalism". "Absolutely not, it was a bargained for right that the US has jurisdiction over it's military personal whether acting in a military capacity or outside the course of their duties. There is not an example of "American execptionalism", rather, relinquishing custody is the cost of doing business for Afghanistan." (from post 17)

    Further, as tghis was an agreement once the new government was in place I do not see that the US can be considered invaders. This was done by agreement.

    An agreement exists regarding the status of military and civilian personnel of the U.S. Department of Defense present in Afghanistan in connection with cooperative efforts in response to terrorism, humanitarian and civic assistance, military training and exercises, and other activities. Such personnel are to be accorded “a status equivalent to that accorded to the administrative and technical staff” of the U.S. Embassy under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961. Accordingly, U.S. personnel are immune from criminal prosecution by Afghan authorities, and are immune from civil and administrative jurisdiction except with respect to acts performed outside the course of their duties. In the agreement, the Islamic Transitional Government of Afghanistan (ITGA) explicitly authorized the U.S. government to exercise criminal jurisdiction over U.S. personnel, and the Government of Afghanistan is not permitted to surrender U.S. personnel to the custody of another State, international tribunal, or any other entity without consent of the U.S. government. Although the agreement was signed by the ITGA, the subsequently elected Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan assumed responsibility for ITGA’s legal obligations and the agreement remains in force. The agreement does not appear to provide immunity for contract personnel.

    "In 2002, the United States and Afghanistan, by an exchange of notes, entered into an agreement regarding economic grants under the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended. Additionally, the agreement allows for the furnishing of defense articles, defense services, and related training, pursuant to the United States International Military and Education Training Program (IMET), from the U.S. Government to the Afghanistan Interim Administration (AIA)...On May 23, 2005, President Hamid Karzai and President Bush issued a “joint declaration” outlining a prospective future agreement between the two countries. It envisions a role for U.S. military troops in Afghanistan to “help organize, train, equip, and sustain Afghan security forces” until Afghanistan has developed its own capacity, and to “consult with respect to taking appropriate measures in the event that Afghanistan perceives that its territorial integrity, independence, or security is threatened or at risk...On December 16, 2010, the Obama Administration, as part of its Afghanistan-Pakistan annual review, stated that it, as part of the NATO coalition, remains committed to a long-term partnership with Afghanistan. As such, the Administration maintained that U.S. forces would commence a transfer of security responsibility to the Afghan government in 2011 and conclude the transfer in2014.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Absolutely tragic. This soldier clearly had a breakdown, and his immediate superior should have seen it coming and done something about it. Now more than a dozen Afghans are dead, the soldier's life is basically over, and this all could have been avoided if we hadn't mired our poor soldiers in a decade-old war where they are unable to tell friend from foe.

    As for Obama apologizing, sure. Just as soon as Karzai starts apologizing every time our soldiers are murdered by Afghan police and Afghan military, which has been happening for years.

    The only thing Obama needs to do is grow a pair, say **** this to Karzai and pull our troops out. Now.

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    Re: Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Absolutely tragic. This soldier clearly had a breakdown, and his immediate superior should have seen it coming and done something about it. Now more than a dozen Afghans are dead, the soldier's life is basically over, and this all could have been avoided if we hadn't mired our poor soldiers in a decade-old war where they are unable to tell friend from foe.

    As for Obama apologizing, sure. Just as soon as Karzai starts apologizing every time our soldiers are murdered by Afghan police and Afghan military, which has been happening for years.

    The only thing Obama needs to do is grow a pair, say **** this to Karzai and pull our troops out. Now.

    Absolutely!


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