• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to Flee

Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

The ultimate difference in this is that with Disney, ordinary people boycotted, they as far as I know didn't organize, ...j-mac

Dallas, Texas. The 12,000 Baptist delegates voted overwhelmingly to launch a boycott of all Disney,,,,
 
Last edited:
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

PETA is a religious organization now?


j-mac


Many People Eating Tasty Animals pray before dinner;)
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Many People Eating Tasty Animals pray before dinner;)


Thanks dude, I just breathed in while taking a drink of water......lol


j-mac
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Religious institutions do not have rights Individuals do.

If religious institutions want to have rights maybe they should try incorporating and paying taxes.

The courts disagree with you. They have often found that religious organizations and churches also get to enjoy the first ammendment.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

The courts disagree with you. They have often found that religious organizations and churches also get to enjoy the first ammendment.

What ruling(s) are you talking about?
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

What ruling(s) are you talking about?

I've just illstrated two in this thread.

A third? Sure, why not.

This one about a Lutheran school teacher who was fired from teh school after coming back to work with narcolepsy. The supreme court just recently ruled that their is a ministerial exception to the EEOC rules. They left open the question of wether non-ministrial employees can be fired - but I assume they only did that so they could get the unanimous decision.

Bishop William E. Lori of Bridgeport, Conn., chairman of the U.S. bishops’ Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty, called it “a great day for the First Amendment.”

In a statement issued by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Bishop Lori said the ruling makes clear “the historical and constitutional importance of keeping internal church affairs off limits to the government — because whoever chooses the minister chooses the message.”

Anthony Picarello, general counsel and an associate general secretary for the USCCB, said the decision “affirms the common-sense proposition that religious schools must be free to choose religion teachers based on religion, without interference from the state.”

Supreme Court upholds church school’s exception to laws against firing - Catholic Philly
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

The source and the substance will be attacked.

People aren't having less children in the industrialized world because they're not as religious.

They're having less children because we're wealthier and having kids is expensive.

Having more kids in the past and in the third world has more to do with practicality then anything else.

If you're a subsistence farmer in Nigeria, you have a bunch of kids so:

A: when they get older they can work in the fields.
B: At least some of them will look after you in old age.
C: Many are likely to die in the first 2 years if not at birth.

You're articles as **** as the website is.

You really do build your house on the sand when it comes to debate dude.

He thinks when a silly source says something silly everyone should treat it as serious, or no one is talking the issue it brought up. I like j, and he is not alone in this, sadly.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

I know it has you rattled, but due to your increased typo output, I just find your posting at this point humorous....

j-mac

Now j, that's a delusional statement. No one is rattled. You merely present a hypothetical that isn't realistic. You're free to try one more in line with reality.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

I've just illstrated two in this thread.

A third? Sure, why not.

This one about a Lutheran school teacher who was fired from teh school after coming back to work with narcolepsy. The supreme court just recently ruled that their is a ministerial exception to the EEOC rules. They left open the question of wether non-ministrial employees can be fired - but I assume they only did that so they could get the unanimous decision.



Supreme Court upholds church school’s exception to laws against firing - Catholic Philly


From your article:

The court stopped short of saying whether the exception would apply to nonministerial employees and left open the possibility that the Michigan Lutheran school teacher who sued might have a case under another legal argument. The court also pointedly avoided setting boundaries for who can be considered a religious employee, concluding only that Cheryl Perich fit the definition.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

From your article:

The court stopped short of saying whether the exception would apply to nonministerial employees and left open the possibility that the Michigan Lutheran school teacher who sued might have a case under another legal argument. The court also pointedly avoided setting boundaries for who can be considered a religious employee, concluding only that Cheryl Perich fit the definition.

I've linked this ruling for them before. There is other language that discusses the difference between nonministerial employees and clergy.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

The source and the substance will be attacked.

People aren't having less children in the industrialized world because they're not as religious.

They're having less children because we're wealthier and having kids is expensive.

...

I agree.
Plus couples are are getting married later in life than in the past and are waiting longer to have a child.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

I agree.
Plus couples are are getting married later in life than in the past and are waiting longer to have a child.


Why do you think that is happening? Not a gottcha question here.....


j-mac
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Why do you think that is happening? Not a gottcha question here.....


j-mac

Because...

As we said before the average citizen is wealthier. Kids are expensive.

One of the biggest reasons I didn't think of before is that women are educated in our society, they want their own careers and are naturally having less kids.

Sex education, birth control...

All better reasons then "We're not as religious anymore".

It's a crock.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

From your article:

The court stopped short of saying whether the exception would apply to nonministerial employees and left open the possibility that the Michigan Lutheran school teacher who sued might have a case under another legal argument. The court also pointedly avoided setting boundaries for who can be considered a religious employee, concluding only that Cheryl Perich fit the definition.

You could have just read my assesment of the case to see that. I specificaly pointed that out and indicated they probably did it to get the unanimous decision.

Now... here was your prior statement that started the discussion...
Religious institutions do not have rights Individuals do.

Do you stil linsist that religious institutions (this was a Lutheran school, not a church) do not have first ammendment rights?

Wether those first ammendment rights will extend to non-ministral employees is still an open question, but based on prior, lower court rulings, it probably will and i suspect any teacher at any religious school will be considered a ministrial employee.

Supreme Court Recognizes a 'Ministerial Exception' to Job-Discrimination Laws - Faculty - The Chronicle of Higher Education

To help illustrate that all teachers are very likely to have hte ministrial exception applied:
"We argued in our brief, and we believe on our campuses, that our faculty are essential to carrying out the religious mission" of religious colleges, said Shapri D. LoMaglio, director of government relations and executive programs for the council.

To show you that even the opponents recognize that religious instituions have rights:
Caroline Mala Corbin, an associate professor of law at the University of Miami who is a co-author of that brief, issued a statement that said, "It is a shame that in its zeal to protect the rights of religious institutions, the Supreme Court ignored the rights of the religious individuals who work at those institutions."
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Why do you think that is happening? Not a gottcha question here.....


j-mac

I know for my 4 children their #1 goal was completing thier education and starting a career before thinking about marriage.
My yongest will be married this summer at the age of 28.
2 of my older children were almost 30 when they got married and my other one is still single.

Edited to add;
2 of my children are women and 2 are men.
 
Last edited:
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Ofcourse not...Don't be silly.

j-mac


So what did you mean by this?


Yeah, veterans groups....Like who? Why did they not name them? Probably IVAW, or some such leftist front group...

j-mac


Backpedal quick now! :cool:
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

If people are wealthier they should be able to afford more children.

And if they can't, why not?

Not necessarily how it works. Don't need kids to help in fields anymore, for example. And people now have the freedom to move around and play more, and this effects the desire to have kids. And let's not forget careers. Not having children has little to do with affording them. In fact, I would say not being able to afford them has never stopped people from having them. But if I have plenty of money, and I want a career and toys, children may well go to the back burner, if I consider having them at all.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Not necessarily how it works. Don't need kids to help in fields anymore, for example. And people now have the freedom to move around and play more, and this effects the desire to have kids. And let's not forget careers. Not having children has little to do with affording them. In fact, I would say not being able to afford them has never stopped people from having them. But if I have plenty of money, and I want a career and toys, children may well go to the back burner, if I consider having them at all.

What's now called "careers" used to be called jobs.

Is the careerless rate still stuck at 8.3%?

This generation is having fewer children because they want to "move around and play more", creating ever increasing debt, aborting much of the next generation and establishing social programs which will have ever fewer numbers to pay for them. What a bunch of dumbasses.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Since no one said anything to the contrary, I assume that everyone is now in agreement that even religious instituions have been found to have first ammendment protections against the encroachment of government into their into their affiars?

Is this only in regards to ministirial emplyoees or all employees, can still be a question. Even though lower courts have oftentimes ruled in favor of religious organizations (such as the case of the teacher that signed a pro-abortion ad or the gay teacher that was fired and many others), the USSC has not yet rules on that.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Since no one said anything to the contrary, I assume that everyone is now in agreement that even religious instituions have been found to have first ammendment protections against the encroachment of government into their into their affiars?

Is this only in regards to ministirial emplyoees or all employees, can still be a question. Even though lower courts have oftentimes ruled in favor of religious organizations (such as the case of the teacher that signed a pro-abortion ad or the gay teacher that was fired and many others), the USSC has not yet rules on that.

Only as it applies to churches and clergy, not schools and hospitals, which employ secular employees. Schools and hospitals are not churches, and teachers, doctors and nurses are not clergy. The last ruling makes this distinction.
 
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

Only as it applies to churches and clergy, not schools and hospitals, which employ secular employees. Schools and hospitals are not churches, and teachers, doctors and nurses are not clergy. The last ruling makes this distinction.

And you believe this even though the case the USSC heard was related to a lutheran school, not a church? And that the person that was fired was a teacher - who the court defined as a ministrial employee, right? Finally, you realize that the individual that co-authored the brief against the school indicated that the court had afforded 1st ammendment rights to "religious institutions"?
 
Last edited:
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

And you believe this even though the case the USSC heard was related to a lutheran school, not a church? And that the person that was fired was a teacher - who the court defined as a ministrial employee, right? Finally, you realize that the individual that co-authored the brief against the school indicated that the court had afforded 1st ammendment rights to "religious institutions"?

I read the last ruling. They made a distinction. yes.

The court stopped short of saying whether the exception would apply to nonministerial employees and left open the possibility that the Michigan Lutheran school teacher who sued might have a case under another legal argument. The court also pointedly avoided setting boundaries for who can be considered a religious employee, concluding only that Cheryl Perich fit the definition.

http://catholicphilly.com/2012/01/n...rch-schools-exception-to-laws-against-firing/
 
Last edited:
Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

And you believe this even though the case the USSC heard was related to a lutheran school, not a church? And that the person that was fired was a teacher - who the court defined as a ministrial employee, right? Finally, you realize that the individual that co-authored the brief against the school indicated that the court had afforded 1st ammendment rights to "religious institutions"?

If the government keeps meddling with religion they could lose four of the top five charitable organizations in the United States.

Perhaps that's their intention.
 
Back
Top Bottom