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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They clearly stated that when the employee is defined as a minister, the religious institution (schools) have first ammendment protections.

    They did not rule on wheter non-ministirial employees at religious institutions will have the same exception. Lower courts have, though.
    yes, because that employee taught religious classes. This is important. teaching religion can be ministry. Teaching math no so much.

    And while they did not rule, they did speak of ministerial versus no ministerial. This clearly implies the difference matters.

    In overturning that decision, the Supreme Court ruled that the question could not be “resolved by a stopwatch” and that Ms. Perich’s limited teaching about religion helped qualify her as a minister.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/op...exception.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And while they did not rule, they did speak of ministerial versus no ministerial. This clearly implies the difference matters.
    Yes, I realize your bias leads you to that, and that's fine.

    However, clearly, the court ruled that even religious institutions enjoy first ammendment protections - even if they currently limited their ruling strictly to ministerial positions at those schools.

    They very purposely did not rule on wether non-ministerial positions will be included in those exceptions. Despite your biased opinion that they are not. That is you reading into it what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, I realize your bias leads you to that, and that's fine.

    However, clearly, the court ruled that even religious institutions enjoy first ammendment protections - even if they currently limited their ruling strictly to ministerial positions at those schools.

    They very purposely did not rule on wether non-ministerial positions will be included in those exceptions. Despite your biased opinion that they are not. That is you reading into it what you want.
    You're not reading or listening. They did not rule, and no claims they did, which means neither of us can be 100% certain. but they did make a distinction and ruled she was a minister and not a contract employee. That made that distinction. You should not ignore it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're not reading or listening. They did not rule, and no claims they did, which means neither of us can be 100% certain. but they did make a distinction and ruled she was a minister and not a contract employee. That made that distinction. You should not ignore it.
    You have no idea why they made the distinction - I would bet you that it was made so that they can get the unanimous decision. You want to say it's because they agree with you. We are both using our logic, reasoning and bias to come to the conclusion. I can admit it, you want to just claim that I am biased as if you are not.

    Regardless of that, though, they clearly indicated that even a religious institution (a school in this case) can enjoy freedom of religion in certain cases (ministirial exception). Now, we have the Obama administration not making this exception and requiring all employees (included those defined as ministirial at religious institutions) be provided coverage for items against the church's teachings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    You have no idea why they made the distinction - I would bet you that it was made so that they can get the unanimous decision. You want to say it's because they agree with you. We are both using our logic, reasoning and bias to come to the conclusion. I can admit it, you want to just claim that I am biased as if you are not.

    Regardless of that, though, they clearly indicated that even a religious institution (a school in this case) can enjoy freedom of religion in certain cases (ministirial exception). Now, we have the Obama administration not making this exception and requiring all employees (included those defined as ministirial at religious institutions) be provided coverage for items against the church's teachings.
    I don't go much for betting, but it opens the door and is a distinction. That cannot be denied. And no, they indicated that one spreading the ministry is treated like ministers. The ruling was specific to her role, what she taught, and nothing more. it wasn't the school, but the role of instruction being given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't go much for betting, but it opens the door and is a distinction. That cannot be denied. And no, they indicated that one spreading the ministry is treated like ministers. The ruling was specific to her role, what she taught, and nothing more. it wasn't the school, but the role of instruction being given.
    And she was working as a teacher at a school, not a church. So, even religious institutions run by the church (such as schools, charities, etc) have some protections despite your protestations and biases.

    The teacher that was fired for signing an abortion ad and the other teacher that was fired because he was planning a gay wedding - also at schools, not churches. The protections, quite obviously go beyond just churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My evidence is that few weeks.
    I believe it is much ado about nothing. What is the impact on who will rule, or govern, the nation? We shall have to wait for the election to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Responding to mounting pressure from veterans groups, the U.S. Army confirmed that they would be joining at least 140 other advertisers in pulling their support from Rush Limbaugh’s radio show."

    LOL! Yeah, those veterans groups are a funny bunch!
    This seems like a covering lie. I suspect the troops are pretty pissed. When I was on active duty I looked forward to Rush. I used a reel-to-reel recorder and time to record his show. I know I would have been pissed.

    This is the best the left can muster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Whichever veterans groups they were, they apparently mean more to the US Army than they do to you, or they wouldn't have bothered to pull the ads, as 140 other sponsors have done.
    Perhaps you are naive. Can you not imagine the one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama's administration salivating over the very idea of cutting Rush from the AFRTS lineup? After all, hurting the troops is no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This seems like a covering lie. I suspect the troops are pretty pissed. When I was on active duty I looked forward to Rush. I used a reel-to-reel recorder and time to record his show. I know I would have been pissed.

    This is the best the left can muster.
    The government probably shouldn't be paying for partisan political talk anyway. For either side.


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