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    Since no one said anything to the contrary, I assume that everyone is now in agreement that even religious instituions have been found to have first ammendment protections against the encroachment of government into their into their affiars?

    Is this only in regards to ministirial emplyoees or all employees, can still be a question. Even though lower courts have oftentimes ruled in favor of religious organizations (such as the case of the teacher that signed a pro-abortion ad or the gay teacher that was fired and many others), the USSC has not yet rules on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Since no one said anything to the contrary, I assume that everyone is now in agreement that even religious instituions have been found to have first ammendment protections against the encroachment of government into their into their affiars?

    Is this only in regards to ministirial emplyoees or all employees, can still be a question. Even though lower courts have oftentimes ruled in favor of religious organizations (such as the case of the teacher that signed a pro-abortion ad or the gay teacher that was fired and many others), the USSC has not yet rules on that.
    Only as it applies to churches and clergy, not schools and hospitals, which employ secular employees. Schools and hospitals are not churches, and teachers, doctors and nurses are not clergy. The last ruling makes this distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only as it applies to churches and clergy, not schools and hospitals, which employ secular employees. Schools and hospitals are not churches, and teachers, doctors and nurses are not clergy. The last ruling makes this distinction.
    And you believe this even though the case the USSC heard was related to a lutheran school, not a church? And that the person that was fired was a teacher - who the court defined as a ministrial employee, right? Finally, you realize that the individual that co-authored the brief against the school indicated that the court had afforded 1st ammendment rights to "religious institutions"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    And you believe this even though the case the USSC heard was related to a lutheran school, not a church? And that the person that was fired was a teacher - who the court defined as a ministrial employee, right? Finally, you realize that the individual that co-authored the brief against the school indicated that the court had afforded 1st ammendment rights to "religious institutions"?
    I read the last ruling. They made a distinction. yes.

    The court stopped short of saying whether the exception would apply to nonministerial employees and left open the possibility that the Michigan Lutheran school teacher who sued might have a case under another legal argument. The court also pointedly avoided setting boundaries for who can be considered a religious employee, concluding only that Cheryl Perich fit the definition.

    http://catholicphilly.com/2012/01/ne...gainst-firing/
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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    And you believe this even though the case the USSC heard was related to a lutheran school, not a church? And that the person that was fired was a teacher - who the court defined as a ministrial employee, right? Finally, you realize that the individual that co-authored the brief against the school indicated that the court had afforded 1st ammendment rights to "religious institutions"?
    If the government keeps meddling with religion they could lose four of the top five charitable organizations in the United States.

    Perhaps that's their intention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I read the last ruling. They made a distinction. yes.

    The court stopped short of saying whether the exception would apply to nonministerial employees and left open the possibility that the Michigan Lutheran school teacher who sued might have a case under another legal argument. The court also pointedly avoided setting boundaries for who can be considered a religious employee, concluding only that Cheryl Perich fit the definition.

    Supreme Court upholds church school’s exception to laws against firing - Catholic Philly
    The USSC rules that a religious institution has first ammendment rights. You argue that religious institutions don't have them. It really is that simple. I understand that you want to cloud the issue by pointing out that the USSC hasn't yet defined and ruled on every possibility. However, to claim they don't have first ammednemnt protections when the court clearly indicated they do? Shurg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If the government keeps meddling with religion they could lose four of the top five charitable organizations in the United States.

    Perhaps that's their intention.
    I would doubt it, but it could be. It would give them the opportunity to redistribute more taxes and take more control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The USSC rules that a religious institution has first ammendment rights. You argue that religious institutions don't have them. It really is that simple. I understand that you want to cloud the issue by pointing out that the USSC hasn't yet defined and ruled on every possibility. However, to claim they don't have first ammednemnt protections when the court clearly indicated they do? Shurg.
    You're not really trying to understand what's being said. Churches and ministry have those rights. Not schools, not those who are not ministry. Read closely, absent your bias, what was written. Seeking clarity is not clouding, not near as much as ignoring what was said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If the government keeps meddling with religion they could lose four of the top five charitable organizations in the United States.

    Perhaps that's their intention.
    There is virtually no chance of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're not really trying to understand what's being said. Churches and ministry have those rights. Not schools, not those who are not ministry. Read closely, absent your bias, what was written. Seeking clarity is not clouding, not near as much as ignoring what was said.
    They clearly stated that when the employee is defined as a minister, the religious institution (schools) have first ammendment protections.

    They did not rule on wheter non-ministirial employees at religious institutions will have the same exception. Lower courts have, though.

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