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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Excellent point. And they obviously are fooling very few with their tactics.
    Everyone with a brain knows that Obama was sucking with women, and needed a way to garner their support. Well this is it. It's that simple. You want to believe some delusional ideas about pro-women and anti-women, that's your issue.
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    Republicans Losing on Birth Control as 77% in Poll Spurn Debate

    "Americans overwhelmingly regard the debate over President Barack Obamaís policy on employer-provided contraceptive coverage as a matter of womenís health, not religious freedom, rejecting Republicansí rationale for opposing the rule. More than three-quarters say the topic shouldnít even be a part of the U.S. political debate."

    "The results suggest the Republican candidatesí focus on contraception is out of sync with the U.S. public. Seventy-seven percent of poll respondents say birth control shouldnít be a topic of the political debate, while 20 percent say it should."

    Republicans Losing on Birth Control as 77% in Poll Spurn Debate - Bloomberg
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    Here are Three Myths In Our Current National Debate About Birth Control:

    Myth #1) Ms. Fluke wants somebody else to pay for her contraception
    No. Ms. Fluke is not asking for other people to pay for her birth control, any more than others might want somebody else to pay for their allergy pills.
    What any of us want is for the services we value to be part of our health coverage. As we are paying into a risk pool, we would like for our preferred preventative care to be covered. By speaking out, Ms. Fluke wants to encourage all of us to arrive at a public consensus that says birth control is considered of value to enough people (NOT 100%) but enough people that it is included in the coverage she has.

    Myth #2) Adding birth control to an insurance plan drives up costs for everyone
    No. It will not. There is ample evidence to suggest that including cost free birth control in insurance plans does not raise the overall cost of health care because it reduces the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions. See an article here: Why Free Birth Control Will Not Hike the Cost of Your Insurance | Moneyland | TIME.com

    Myth #3) Obama’s Recent HHS mandate will force religious organizations who oppose birth control on religious grounds to provide it
    No. Obama’s HHS mandate, which was revised in February, provides an exclusion for all faith-based organizations — not just houses of worship but also hospitals and universities — from covering employees’ contraception costs.
    Obama Birth Control: Religious Groups Exempted From Contraception Rule
    Three Myths In Our Current National Debate About Birth Control
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Here are Three Myths In Our Current National Debate About Birth Control:


    Three Myths In Our Current National Debate About Birth Control
    That's what makes this all such a bull**** ginned up 'attack' on women. Insurance companies have been covering this. It didn't even become an issue until Obama attempted to force religious institutions to do so, at which time he got pummeled and backpedaled. We are now where we were then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Republicans Losing on Birth Control as 77% in Poll Spurn Debate

    "Americans overwhelmingly regard the debate over President Barack Obama’s policy on employer-provided contraceptive coverage as a matter of women’s health, not religious freedom, rejecting Republicans’ rationale for opposing the rule. More than three-quarters say the topic shouldn’t even be a part of the U.S. political debate."

    "The results suggest the Republican candidates’ focus on contraception is out of sync with the U.S. public. Seventy-seven percent of poll respondents say birth control shouldn’t be a topic of the political debate, while 20 percent say it should."

    Republicans Losing on Birth Control as 77% in Poll Spurn Debate - Bloomberg
    This is not unexpected and demonstrates how wildly out of touch with America much of the right wing Republican party is. They will never learn since they simply believe what they believe because they want to believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Everyone with a brain knows that Obama was sucking with women, and needed a way to garner their support. Well this is it. It's that simple. You want to believe some delusional ideas about pro-women and anti-women, that's your issue.
    It is not what I believe or do not believe. It is what the right wing believes that separates them from the American people that is important. This is after all an election year.

    And that then becomes America's issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Myth #1) Ms. Fluke wants somebody else to pay for her contraception
    Insurance plans cover prescriptions that correct a medical defect/problem. Allergy pils and hormone therapy would fall into that category. BC pills being used for contraception is elective, much like recreational viagra and condoms (Has Obama ordered that these be covered?). So, it's not quite as cut and dry as your link tries to make it.

    Myth #2) Adding birth control to an insurance plan drives up costs for everyone
    Adding birth control will drive up the cost of insurance premiums. The insurance companies themselves have already stated that it will. Will it increase the overall cost of healthcare spending? I have no idea. I donít think Iíve heard anyone state that, honestly. So, it seems like a strawman to me.


    Myth #3) Obamaís Recent HHS mandate will force religious organizations who oppose birth control on religious grounds to provide it
    The religious organizations will have to pay for the increased premium. The religious organizations that are self-insured will have to pay for it. Many religious organizations went to self insurance in order to get out of their stateís mandates to pay for BC. They are now going to be required to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Adding birth control will drive up the cost of insurance premiums
    I would say that the effect on premiums is inconclusive. FactCheck.org : Cloudy Contraception Costs
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    Re: 'Rush Limbaugh Show' Broadcasts Five Minutes of Dead Air as Sponsors Continue to

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would say that the effect on premiums is inconclusive. FactCheck.org : Cloudy Contraception Costs
    I won't argue it, other than to say that I would tend to trust the insurance companies and their actuaries on the subject since they actually make money by having to be correct.

    Anyway, the study the Obama administration used to argue that premiums would decrease apparently stated:
    The study’s authors said that insurance companies would save money — but then they conceded the opposite could be true, and said “additional studies will be necessary to address this issue.”
    I just found that kind of funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post

    Adding birth control will drive up the cost of insurance premiums. The insurance companies themselves have already stated that it will..
    Insurance companies will save money in the long rin.


    Actually, not really. The truth is that both insurers and employers who self-insure save money in the long run by covering contraception. So much money is saved that it makes financial sense to waive co-pays and deductibles. A 2000 study by the National Business Group on Health estimates that not providing contraceptive coverage in employee health plans winds up costing employers 15% to 17% more than providing such coverage.<SNIP>

    By contrast, if an insurer makes birth control totally free for all of its customers, it avoids having to reimburse them for countless unplanned pregnancies and births. Overall, then, itís cheaper for the insurer to pay a little upfront to save a ton down the line. <SNIP>
    Read more: Why Free Birth Control Will Not Hike the Cost of Your Insurance | Moneyland | TIME.com
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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