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By her own testimony...it is.

By her own testimony it "is technically covered".
But for her "friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription".
Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.
“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.
“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.
“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy.
She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.
Transcript of testimony by Sandra Fluke
 
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She didn't say 3,000 a year.


Correct the $3000 amount was over the years spent at law school which is usually about 3 years.

In fact, most are between $20 to $50 dollars, and let me stress this next part: Without insurance.

What is the Cost of birth control without insurance
Cost of Birth Control Pills - Consumer Information and Prices Paid - CostHelper.com



Most birth control pills are about $20-$50.
The ones for PCOS may cost more because they use a special formula and many of them do not have generics.
I know my DD paid about $75 out of pocket at a discount store when her perscrption PCOS birth control pills were not covered by her insurance. Now with prescription coverage she pays a $35 co-pay.

From a recent article:
A woman's choice may come down to her wallet: The price of birth control varies dramatically.

Just the pill has a huge range, from $9 a month for generics to $90 a month for some of the newest brands, plus a yearly doctor's visit for the prescription.

The Associated Press: $100 or $1,000? Wide price range for birth control
 
PCOS is quite common and may affect up to 1 out of every 15 women.
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS): Symptoms, Cause, and Treatment

It is a know fact women with PCOS can and often do develope cysts.
That is why their OBGYNs and/or Endocrinologists perscribe special birth control pills for them.



Read more: What Is the Best Birth Control Pill for Ovarian Cysts? | eHow.com What Is the Best Birth Control Pill for Ovarian Cysts? | eHow.com

Actually, I heard a nurse today backed up by a gynocologist talk about how hormone therapy is out dated. And that there is a drug prescribed for diabites that is now more commonly used. But that if the correct diagnostic codes were submitted to the insurance co. Then all should have been covered no problem. So, with these things in mind two things come to the fore front. 1. The friend of ms. Fluke is fiction. Used as libs so love to do, put someone forward seeming unassailabe. 2. If the friend is real, then she has more than one law suit at her disposal, and if ms. Fluke is any kind of law student and not just some activist agitator, then age should have counciled her "friend" on these facts.


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Actually, I heard a nurse today backed up by a gynocologist talk about how hormone therapy is out dated. And that there is a drug prescribed for diabites that is now more commonly used.
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Metaformin helps reduce insulin levels in a woman with PCOS.
It has been perscribed for years for women with PCOS.

The special PCOS birth control pills help prevent cysts and other symtoms of the PCOS including a progestin component that has antiandrogentic properties.


With PCOS, women typically have:

•High levels of androgens (AN-druh-junz). These are sometimes called male hormones, though females also make them.
•Missed or irregular periods (monthly bleeding)
•Many small cysts (sists) (fluid-filled sacs) in their ovaries
Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) fact sheet | womenshealth.gov

The above symptoms are managed with special PCOS birth control pills.
 
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...But that if the correct diagnostic codes were submitted to the insurance co. Then all should have been covered no problem. So, with these things in mind two things come to the fore front. 1. The friend of ms. Fluke is fiction. Used as libs so love to do, put someone forward seeming unassailabe. 2. If the friend is real, then she has more than one law suit at her disposal, and if ms. Fluke is any kind of law student and not just some activist agitator, then age should have counciled her "friend" on these facts.


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Yes a couple of others have said they thought Fluke's friend was made up but if that is the case then the New York Times made up the friend before Fluke did.

This was posted in the New York Times the end of January, 2012 almost a month before Fluke's testimony.
One recent Georgetown law graduate, who asked not to be identified for reasons of medical privacy, said she had polycystic ovary syndrome, a condition for which her doctor prescribed birth control pills. She is gay and had no other reason to take the pills. Georgetown does not cover birth control for students, so she made sure her doctor noted the diagnosis on her prescription. Even so, coverage was denied several times. She finally gave up and paid out of pocket, more than $100 a month. After a few months she could no longer afford the pills. Within months she developed a large ovarian cyst that had to be removed surgically — along with her ovary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/h...all&adxnnlx=1331266943-Z/t6FOlF8QcHkHAKe7lDyQ

Some insyrance companies that do not cover birth control won't even cover the POCS birth control pills because they believe the pills are being used for birth control.

In my DD case they did not cover the PCOS birth control pills. THey knew she had PCOS and the proper codes were sent in .
In the case of Fluke's friend:
For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.
 
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By her own testimony it "is technically covered".
But for her "friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription".

Transcript of testimony by Sandra Fluke
doncha think her anecdotal 'friend' could find a lawyer somewhere at...oh...i dont know...GEORGETOWN and have filed a lawsuit if there was even a HINT of credibility? My 'friend' says she is full of ****.
 
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It has been my experience that insurance companies try to find reasons to avoid paying for a treatment if they can.
It is easy for the insurance companies who do not cover any type of birth control to refuse coverage of BC pills for medical issues because after all a side effect of the BC medication is advoiding pregnancy.

Did you know that almost half of the woman who take birth control have at least one other reason ( besides preventing pregnancies) for taking them?

From this editorial:
Oral contraception, also called birth control, is taken by over 62 million women between the ages of 15 and 44, according to a November 2011 study by the Guttmacher Institute, which researches reproductive health worldwide. The study found that 49 percent of women who use contraception have at least one other reason to use some form of birth control.

Birth control may be prescribed to help treat endometriosis and Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) or to prevent endometrial and ovarian cancers.

In endometriosis the uterine-lining tissue grows outside of the uterus. This condition has the potential to be painful and result in infertility. Birth control can help prevent the tissue growth and buildup, though it isn’t a cure.

PCOS is a hormone imbalance that can result in irregular cycles, acne, unwanted hair growth on the face and body, thinner hair on the head and even infertility. One out of 15 women is diagnosed with this disease. Oral contraceptives may be prescribed along with diet and exercise to fight the symptoms, but not as a cure.

Using birth control continually for one to five years can also help lower a woman’s chances of getting endometrial and ovarian cancers by 40 percent.
A family history of other cancers may indicate that a woman has a higher chance of being diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Taking a contraceptive is just one way to help prevent a tumor from forming.

Birth control can even help combat more common ailments. It’s been used to help clear acne and combat painful menstrual symptoms such as cramps, bloating and breast tenderness. In the process, a contraceptive can shorten bleeding and regulate when it occurs.

Contraceptives allow women who might otherwise contract painful diseases to not only live peacefully, but eventually have children. Although using birth control is not the only option to treat these diseases, it’s an option chosen by a sizable number of American women.

Editorial: Birth control serves many purposes | Kansan.com
 
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"The research was compiled by the nonprofit Guttmacher Institute, which used data from the National Survey of Family Growth. They found that 14 percent of all women who take the pill do so for reasons unrelated to controlling pregnancy."

Women taking birth control pills for reasons other than contraception » Health Science Center News & Communications - University of Florida

"14 percent of all women who take the pill do so for reasons unrelated to controlling pregnancy."

More than 726,000 women who take birth control pills have never had sex.
More than 95 percent of those users say they take the pill for reasons other than contraception.


Birth control pills: They’re not just for birth control any more. At least according to a new study, which found that more than one-point-five million women in the United States take birth control pills for reasons other than preventing pregnancy.

In fact, more than 726,000 women who take birth control pills have never had sex.
More than 95 percent of those users say they take the pill for reasons other than contraception.
The research was compiled by the nonprofit Guttmacher Institute, which used data from the National Survey of Family Growth. They found that 14 percent of all women who take the pill do so for reasons unrelated to controlling pregnancy.
]Birth control pills are a kind of medication that are made up of hormones — typically estrogen and progestin. The hormones in the pill work by preventing a woman’s ovaries from releasing eggs, which keeps her from becoming pregnant.

So why else would someone take a birth control pill? More than 30 percent of the women surveyed said they take the pills to reduce menstrual pain and cramps. About 30 percent said they wanted to regulate their menstrual cycles, which can help prevent side effects such as migraine headaches.

Another common reason is controlling endometriosis, a condition where tissue from the uterus grows in other areas of the body, such as the ovaries, bowel or bladder. Some women also take birth control pills to reduce acne. In fact, almost half of the women surveyed said they took the pill for multiple reasons.

Women taking birth control pills for reasons other than contraception » Health Science Center News & Communications - University of Florida
 
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"14 percent of all women who take the pill do so for reasons unrelated to controlling pregnancy."

More than 726,000 women who take birth control pills have never had sex.
More than 95 percent of those users say they take the pill for reasons other than contraception.

Women taking birth control pills for reasons other than contraception » Health Science Center News & Communications - University of Florida

That's a funny statistic. 95% of virgins take the pill for reasons other than contraception. Wow, you don't say.
 
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Now to be clear.

I am not advocating that birth control pills should be paid for by employers or insurance companies with no co-pays.
I do feel however when birth control pills are needed to treat or control medical conditions such as PCOS, migraine headaches, and endometriosis the BC medications should be readily available with the same type of co-pay the insurance uses for diabetic meds, thyroid meds, erectile dysfuntion drugs, asthma drugs,etc.
 
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Now to be clear.

I am not advocating that birth control pills should be paid for by employers or insurance companies with no co-pays.
I do feel however when birth control pills are needed to treat or control medical conditions such as PCOS, migraine headaches, and endometriosis the BC medications should be readily available with the same type of co-pay the insurance uses for diabetic meds, thyroid meds, erectile dysfuntion drugs, asthma drugs,etc.

That's reasonable, and I would agree. Had Obama passed that law, I wouldn't have argued.
 
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It has been my experience that insurance companies try to find reasons to avoid paying for a treatment if they can.
It is easy for the insurance companies who do not cover any type of birth control to refuse coverage of BC pills for medical issues because after all a side effect of the BC medication is advoiding pregnancy.

Did you know that almost half of the woman who take birth control have at least one other reason ( besides preventing pregnancies) for taking them?

From this editorial:


Editorial: Birth control serves many purposes | Kansan.com






In reality, unless its for any other medical reason, insurance shouldn't pay for your birth control anymore than it should pay for plastic surgurey, If they elect to do so, bully for you, but given fluke I heard is traipsing around spain these days, perhaps, she should have saved her enough for tha 9 bucks a month a poor law student can get it for. :lol:
 
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"14 percent of all women who take the pill do so for reasons unrelated to controlling pregnancy."

More than 726,000 women who take birth control pills have never had sex.
More than 95 percent of those users say they take the pill for reasons other than contraception.[


Maybve it's not by choice.... :shrug: Anyway, This whole argument is silly, I guess "safe sex" and "condoms" are no longer in vogue....
 
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Now to be clear.

I am not advocating that birth control pills should be paid for by employers or insurance companies with no co-pays.
I do feel however when birth control pills are needed to treat or control medical conditions such as PCOS, migraine headaches, and endometriosis the BC medications should be readily available with the same type of co-pay the insurance uses for diabetic meds, thyroid meds, erectile dysfuntion drugs, asthma drugs,etc.



This I agree with, common sense approach. Sadly, this is not what the far left is framing the argument as.
 
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This I agree with, common sense approach. Sadly, this is not what the far left is framing the argument as.

So, presumably you would say the same thing about Viagra? No coverage unless there is a signed statement from a doctor saying that it's absoutely necessary in order for the patient to achieve an erection, as opposed to just being used to enhance performance?
 
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So, presumably you would say the same thing about Viagra? No coverage unless there is a signed statement from a doctor saying that it's absoutely necessary in order for the patient to achieve an erection, as opposed to just being used to enhance performance?



Absolutley, why not, if it's elective, it should be "elective" for the provider. Why should I pay for you to get an erection you can't get on your own and for your GF to get freeBC pills? You pay for it. either yourself, or through your higher premiums, don't jack mine up. (all "you's" are general and not you you's)
 
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Absolutley, why not, if it's elective, it should be "elective" for the provider. Why should I pay for you to get an erection you can't get on your own and for your GF to get freeBC pills? You pay for it. either yourself, or through your higher premiums, don't jack mine up. (all "you's" are general and not you you's)

And you don't think guys would lie to get the pills covered by insurance? And the docs wouldn't go along with a wink and a nod?
 
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And you don't think guys would lie to get the pills covered by insurance? And the docs wouldn't go along with a wink and a nod?




guys?


the day male BC pills come out, you could charge $500 a month for it and they would be lining up around the corner. Lets be real here.


Oh you mean viagra, medical fraud is an issue, shouldn't deter doing the right thing. if the dude wants ed pills cover, elect to add that coverage.


Like flood insurance, we don't all need it, so we all don't pay it.
 
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guys?


the day male BC pills come out, you could charge $500 a month for it and they would be lining up around the corner. Lets be real here.


Oh you mean viagra, medical fraud is an issue, shouldn't deter doing the right thing. if the dude wants ed pills cover, elect to add that coverage.


Like flood insurance, we don't all need it, so we all don't pay it.

That would rather defeat the purpose of insurance, wouldn't it? Given that the cost of adding the coverage would be the same cost as buying the medication yourself?
 
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That would rather defeat the purpose of insurance, wouldn't it? Given that the cost of adding the coverage would be the same cost as buying the medication yourself?



So you admit it is pretty freakin cheap. whats the problem then? I have no problem with an insurance company offering it under thier umbrella plan actually, I also have no problem with an ins co opting out of an elective medication. I also have no problem with a catholic university saying "no", it's that whole freedom thing, it is a bitch.
 
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So you admit it is pretty freakin cheap. whats the problem then? I have no problem with an insurance company offering it under thier umbrella plan actually, I also have no problem with an ins co opting out of an elective medication. I also have no problem with a catholic university saying "no", it's that whole freedom thing, it is a bitch.

I didn't say whether the price would be high or low -- I said it would be the same. In other words, if there's no cost sharing involved there's no point in having it insured.

Personally, I don't have a problem with employers not paying for BC that's prescribed for non-medical reasons. I think the vast majority of them would pay for it anyway, as it's been shown to be more economical than not covering it. Also, 28 states already require it.
 
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I didn't say whether the price would be high or low -- I said it would be the same. In other words, if there's no cost sharing involved there's no point in having it insured.

Personally, I don't have a problem with employers not paying for BC that's prescribed for non-medical reasons. I think the vast majority of them would pay for it anyway, as it's been shown to be more economical than not covering it. Also, 28 states already require it.


So then we agree, it should be up to the ins co's, employers etc, and fluke was wrong to go into a democrat press conference to complain about a catholic universities health care policy.
 
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So then we agree, it should be up to the ins co's, employers etc, and fluke was wrong to go into a democrat press conference to complain about a catholic universities health care policy.

I don't 100% agree with Fluke's position, but she certainly was not wrong to express it, nor did she deserve to be slandered over the course of three days on a national radio show for giving it.
 
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I don't 100% agree with Fluke's position, but she certainly was not wrong to express it, nor did she deserve to be slandered over the course of three days on a national radio show for giving it.




No Rush was a sexist dirt bag for his comments, However, I also think much of the outrage was more to "get rush" than it was to protect the womans honor, otherwise, you wouldn't see so many people making excuses for left wing political commentators, satirists, making equally abhorrent statments.
 
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