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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Historically our entire nation has been racist and sexist to a disgusting degree . . . but are they still?

    It's not like us Whites are born with a vernacular that others can't comprehend.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Historically our entire nation has been racist and sexist to a disgusting degree . . . but are they still?
    Old habits die hard.

    It's not like us Whites are born with a vernacular that others can't comprehend.
    Who says you are? Most people aren't aware of systemic racism or sexism. They simply exist within the system.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The accusation was that the test was rigged in order to not hire blacks and Latinos, not whether or not favorite candidates were being coached.So how is this test rigged to excluded Blacks and Latinos? Looking at the sample questions the only people who would be excluded are people who are too stupid to bother studying for tests.So saying that the tests are designed to exclude blacks and Latinos amounts to saying that they are too stupid to pass a test.
    It is possible James that we are not party to all of the evidence. I certainly consider it a serious question until I see the entire evidence and arguments made. What bothers me so far is that too many assumptions are being made without examining the evidence the judge saw. One side wants to believe racism is not only alive and well, but pervasive, and the other side wants to believe we're picking on poor white folk. I suspect the truth is not at either extreme.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Historically, the fire departments of NY have been a source of systemic racial discrimination. In the mid 1850s, the Irish essentially used it as a political tool. Since then, it's been a pretty useful tool for many other white ethnicities - the Polish, Croats, etc. This isn't really all that surprising. It's no different than how police departments in the South/West were used to keep control over blacks and Hispanics during the 40s-50s and 60s.
    Going to provide any evidence?

    Anything that pinpoints the alleged racism in a test?
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Going to provide any evidence?
    I did. 5 of them. Post 80? Keep up you apologist.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Statistics don't prove ****.

    So what... irish people made up a large percentage of the police department.

    Irish also made up over 50% of the arrests..... Which mean...... they hated their own people?

    No, it means that its all a god damned coincidence that you are trying to use as proof of something.

    Statistics don't explain anything without additional evidence.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Old habits die hard.



    Who says you are? Most people aren't aware of systemic racism or sexism. They simply exist within the system.
    Well I just don't see how a test such as that can be 'rewritten' so it's 'dumbed down' or something - it sounds like that's what they're suggesting must be done.

    I don't get it: it's a test - you take it, they score it and go from there . . . if hiring isn't based *on* the test then why are they suing *over* the test? They're suing focusing on the test - claiming that it's written for whites - so what does a 'black' test look like?

    If they believe they've been discriminated against then why is the TEST this huge determining factor? Why not the hiring managers, the process - everything else? Focusing on the test is ridiculous because ANYONE can study content and learn and do good on a test. . . can't they? Of course they can.

    Are these people saying they're incapable of studying and learning and putting time and effort in order to pass the tests if they really tried?

    My son wasn't born stupid just because he's mixed - he's quite capable of learning just like everyone else and when the time comes for him to be employed and if he chooses a career that he knows you MUST test into - I'll be certain to help him study and make it through it. But if he ever fails at anything in life I won't let him use his color as an iota of an excuse.

    It's insulting to the entire race / people / culture / region when people stoop to that level.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I did. 5 of them. Post 80? Keep up you apologist.
    Yeah... Umm.... Nothing you provided pinpoints the alleged racism of this test.

    Lets keep the thread on topic.


    BTW, one of your links was some rant from a letter to birmingham about blacks in the 1960s... Doesn't seem to have jack **** to do with the topic.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Statistics don't prove ****.
    If that were all I posted maybe you'd have a point. However I also posted analysis and examples of laws created to restrict minorities from joining civil service institutions. The rest of your post? Nothing but the same old tired apologist nonsense. Why don't you tell us about the time you listened to James Brown? Maybe we'll care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    BTW, one of your links was some rant from a letter to birmingham about blacks in the 1960s... Doesn't seem to have jack **** to do with the topic.
    It's called a primary source. Do you know what that is? It's a statement from somebody living at the time. Lol.
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