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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Please explain how that is not what he is saying?
    insinuating that the judge thinks blacks & Hispanics are simply dumb, is a pretty stupid thing to say.

    he believes that a de-facto & gentlemen's agreemant system is in place that discriminates against them, in favor of white applicants.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Historically, the fire departments of NY have been a source of systemic racial discrimination. In the mid 1850s, the Irish essentially used it as a political tool. Since then, it's been a pretty useful tool for many other white ethnicities - the Polish, Croats, etc. This isn't really all that surprising. It's no different than how police departments in the South/West were used to keep control over blacks and Hispanics during the 40s-50s and 60s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    insinuating that the judge thinks blacks & Hispanics are simply dumb, is a pretty stupid thing to say.

    he believes that a de-facto & gentlemen's agreemant system is in place that discriminates against them, in favor of white applicants.


    So they do this with a test? O.o
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not to mention, someone had to bring this before the judge... judges don't go out yanking people into court to fit their own social agenda.

    So, prior to some judge believing that minorities simply can not get along in life without his help....

    Some minorities believed that they simply could not get along in life without the government's help.

    Imagine that......

    In the age of, "THE GOVERNMENT WILL HELP YOU!" style of thinking.
    I'll bet it wasn't a minority that was in any way affected by this that initiated it.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So they do this with a test? O.o
    its not my argument.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    insinuating that the judge thinks blacks & Hispanics are simply dumb, is a pretty stupid thing to say.

    he believes that a de-facto & gentlemen's agreemant system is in place that discriminates against them, in favor of white applicants.
    Again, sheesh, those racist New Yorkers. When do you suppose they will get past it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its not my argument.


    We'll when you get one, be sure to let me know.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Historically, the fire departments of NY have been a source of systemic racial discrimination. In the mid 1850s, the Irish essentially used it as a political tool. Since then, it's been a pretty useful tool for many other white ethnicities - the Polish, Croats, etc. This isn't really all that surprising. It's no different than how police departments in the South/West were used to keep control over blacks and Hispanics during the 40s-50s and 60s.
    Care to support these statements?

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    We'll when you get one, be sure to let me know.
    Yeah, I'll be SURE to do that. I'll PM you.

    Last edited by Thunder; 03-09-12 at 04:39 PM.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Care to support these statements?
    Irish American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    After the early example of Charles Lynch, Irish immigrants quickly found employment in the police departments, fire departments and other public services of major cities, largely in the North East and around the Great Lakes. By 1855, according to New York Police Commissioner George W. Matsell, himself an Englishman having been born in Liverpool, England in 1806, almost 17 percent of the police department's officers were Irish-born (compared to 28.2 percent of the city) in a report to the Board of Alderman.[54] In the 1860s more than half of those arrested in New York City were Irish born or of Irish descent but nearly half of the City's law enforcement officers were also Irish. By the turn of the 20th century, five out of six NYPD officers were Irish born or of Irish descent. As late as 1960s, even after minority hiring efforts, 42% of the NYPD were Irish Americans.[55]

    Irish Catholics continue to be prominent in the law enforcement community, especially in New England. When the Emerald Society of the Boston Police Department was formed in 1873, half of the city's police officers became members.
    Eating Smoke: Fire in Urban America, 1800-1950 - Mark Tebeau - Google Books

    An Introduction to Policing - John S. Dempsey, Linda S. Forst - Google Books

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    We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God-given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we stiff creep at horse-and-buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate-filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six-year-old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five-year-old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross-country drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you go forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"–then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience.
    I'm not revealing any secrets. Historically civil service institutions have served as a tool of systemic racial discrimination.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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