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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Also, I don't know about paid departments, but from the sound of it they are very much like volunteer departments in this regard. People who join the firefighting service tend to know people who already do it. My dad has been a firefighter for years; his neighbor convinced him to join. I joined with a friend. It sounds more like who did and did not join the department did so because of personal connections (not calling it nepotism, just greater familiarity with and support from people in the department) not racial lines.
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    I don't see how a firefighters test could be devised that would favor one race over another unless blatant racial questions were asked. The only possible conclusion for me is that any test that compares the potential of a group of potential employees is considered racist and inherently biased.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Garaufis ruled previously that the Fire Department of New York discriminated against minorities in its entrance exam, saying black and Hispanic applicants had disproportionately failed the written examinations and those who passed were placed disproportionately lower down the hiring lists than whites.
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    Jews make up 8% of NYC....yet much less than 8% of the FDNY.

    how come there ain't no AA for Jews in the FDNY???????????

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is the central issue to the case, "whether the skills measured by the FDNYs written exam have any relationship to skills necessary to be a good firefighter the EEOC and DOJ have concluded that they do not. CCR contends that there is no reason the City should be using this test to hire firefighters and that continuing to use it is against the law." The court believed it did not. I agree with the court's holding as these tests have little to do with the job.

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    http://ccrjustice.org/files/09.07.22...%20Opinion.pdf


    Apparently something was not right with FDNY recruiting and testing methods. In 2011 "As part of a pilot program that was described in papers filed on Tuesday in Federal District Court in Brooklyn, members of the Vulcan Society, an organization of black firefighters that sued the city for discrimination, will be provided with a list of black applicants whose applications are incomplete, so that Vulcan members can visit their homes and encourage them to follow up." Further, " In 2011, the city launched a grassroots effort to recruit minority applicants. In total, 30,425 minority applicants have filed to take the test, representing 49.5% of the applicant pool. Female FDNY applicants have also surged, with 3,481 filing to take the test. The department currently has about three-dozen female firefighters."
    It doesn't have ANY relationship to skills necessary to be a firefighter? Really? Statements like this make me very suspicious. I smell a judge that is making things up as he goes along. I think he saw that simply too many whites were getting the positions and concluded discrimination was going on and sought to find it.

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    Jews make up 8% of NYC....yet much less than 8% of the FDNY.

    how come there ain't no AA for Jews in the FDNY???????????
    what percentage of the NYFD employees do the jews comprise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    It doesn't have ANY relationship to skills necessary to be a firefighter? Really? Statements like this make me very suspicious. I smell a judge that is making things up as he goes along. I think he saw that simply too many whites were getting the positions and concluded discrimination was going on and sought to find it.
    or he saw a group of good ole boys who were passing along job openings to their friends and family, using a test that the coached friends of the good ole boys would be expected to pass disproportionately
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    or he saw a group of good ole boys who were passing along job openings to their friends and family, using a test that the coached friends of the good ole boys would be expected to pass disproportionately
    baseless speculation.

    if a company in Harlem has mostly black employees, and doesn't represent the racial & ethnic makeup of NYC, does that mean discrimination is taking place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    baseless speculation.

    if a company in Harlem has mostly black employees, and doesn't represent the racial & ethnic makeup of NYC, does that mean discrimination is taking place?

    if a proportionate number of majority/white residents are taking the test and failing in disproportionate numbers, and the federal court finds that the qualifying test is rigged, yes, discrimination would then be indicated
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