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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And how are people suppose to know if they are qualified if the test that is given supposedly "has no bearing"? Even though from the sample questions given clearly show that they do have bearing? Take people at their word? Or perhaps we now need collage degree's and spend thousands of dollars to get that degree?

    As for quota's being illegal...thats BS. They might SAY its illegal but reality shows that its perfectly acceptable to have so long as it isn't obvious. Also if quota's are illegal then it would be illegal for the courts to mandate a quota...they are not above the law.
    That may be aprt of the problem. But I wouldn't jump to any assumptions that they are not qualified.

    And the reality is every case on quotas has been won by those suing. That is just the fact of the matter.

    Your court comment is just silly.

    (BTW, read the links provided earlier. The court did not order a quota. Just thought we should at least try to be accurate.)
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That may be aprt of the problem. But I wouldn't jump to any assumptions that they are not qualified.

    And the reality is every case on quotas has been won by those suing. That is just the fact of the matter.

    Your court comment is just silly.

    (BTW, read the links provided earlier. The court did not order a quota. Just thought we should at least try to be accurate.)
    Here is the first paragraph, first link. That is not a quota?

    A U.S. district judge ordered New York City to pay $128 million in to firefighters who allege the city used an entrance exam that deliberately sought to keep African-Americans and Latino Americans off the force. The judge also ordered the FDNY to hire 293 black and Latino applicants.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Here is the first paragraph, first link. That is not a quota?

    A U.S. district judge ordered New York City to pay $128 million in to firefighters who allege the city used an entrance exam that deliberately sought to keep African-Americans and Latino Americans off the force. The judge also ordered the FDNY to hire 293 black and Latino applicants.

    if it is a quota then tell us what the percentage is that the quota was established to be
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if it is a quota then tell us what the percentage is that the quota was established to be
    Wikipedia definition of a racial quota. I didn't bother to hunt any farther than the first paragraph of Wiki.

    Racial quotas in employment and education are numerical requirements for hiring, promoting, admitting and/or graduating members of a particular racial group. Racial quotas are often established as means of diminishing racial discrimination, addressing under-representation and evident racism against those racial groups. Some individuals consider racial quotas reverse racism. Racial quotas are closely linked to notions of group rights, and special rights.

    These quotas may be determined by governmental authority and backed by governmental sanctions. When the total number of jobs or enrollment slots is fixed, this proportion may get translated to a specific number. In education, this kind of quota is also known as Numerus clausus.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Wikipedia definition of a racial quota. I didn't bother to hunt any farther than the first paragraph of Wiki.

    Racial quotas in employment and education are numerical requirements for hiring, promoting, admitting and/or graduating members of a particular racial group. Racial quotas are often established as means of diminishing racial discrimination, addressing under-representation and evident racism against those racial groups. Some individuals consider racial quotas reverse racism. Racial quotas are closely linked to notions of group rights, and special rights.

    These quotas may be determined by governmental authority and backed by governmental sanctions. When the total number of jobs or enrollment slots is fixed, this proportion may get translated to a specific number. In education, this kind of quota is also known as Numerus clausus.
    i gather from your reply and the absence of a quota percentage that you have no designated percentage which was established as the quota
    and without such percentage then we can assume there is no quota
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Here is the first paragraph, first link. That is not a quota?

    A U.S. district judge ordered New York City to pay $128 million in to firefighters who allege the city used an entrance exam that deliberately sought to keep African-Americans and Latino Americans off the force. The judge also ordered the FDNY to hire 293 black and Latino applicants.
    Nope. It's a number that they need right now. A quota system is where you always set aside x-number of seats.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i gather from your reply and the absence of a quota percentage that you have no designated percentage which was established as the quota
    and without such percentage then we can assume there is no quota
    No. What you should have gathered from my reply is that the absence of a percentage figure in no way negates the fact that an order or policy to hire a given number, or percentage, or just a random number picked out of a lottery machine is, in fact, a quota. For all I know, the judge did, in fact, do the math and determine that there needed to be a specific number of blacks and/or latinos, whatever that number is, to to equalize the NYFD policies. OTOH, for all I know, the judge utilized option B, which is picking a random number out of a lottery machine. Either way, it doesn't matter. Telling a group that they must hire a specific number whether that number is a percentage or a specific number, is a quota.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    No. What you should have gathered from my reply is that the absence of a percentage figure in no way negates the fact that an order or policy to hire a given number, or percentage, or just a random number picked out of a lottery machine is, in fact, a quota. For all I know, the judge did, in fact, do the math and determine that there needed to be a specific number of blacks and/or latinos, whatever that number is, to to equalize the NYFD policies. OTOH, for all I know, the judge utilized option B, which is picking a random number out of a lottery machine. Either way, it doesn't matter. Telling a group that they must hire a specific number whether that number is a percentage or a specific number, is a quota.
    A number, once. Not a system requiring a certain percentage. Nope. The judge did not order that. Sorry.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    No. What you should have gathered from my reply is that the absence of a percentage figure in no way negates the fact that an order or policy to hire a given number, or percentage, or just a random number picked out of a lottery machine is, in fact, a quota. For all I know, the judge did, in fact, do the math and determine that there needed to be a specific number of blacks and/or latinos, whatever that number is, to to equalize the NYFD policies. OTOH, for all I know, the judge utilized option B, which is picking a random number out of a lottery machine. Either way, it doesn't matter. Telling a group that they must hire a specific number whether that number is a percentage or a specific number, is a quota.
    gonna make this easy for you courtesy of dictionary.com
    quo·ta   [kwoh-tuh]
    noun
    1.
    the share or proportional part of a total that is required from, or is due or belongs to, a particular district, state, person, group, etc.
    2.
    a proportional part or share of a fixed total amount or quantity.
    3.
    the number or percentage of persons of a specified kind permitted to enroll in a college, join a club, immigrate to a country, etc.
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    you have no percentage, no share, no proportional part, in short, NO quota
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny, they said the same in the South when trying to prevent voting by blacks.. Hello mr White Guy.. spell Cat.... Pass.. hello mr Black guy, spell supercalifragilisticexpialidocious... Fail, you too dumb to vote, hence voting right denied!
    Please provide a legitimate link that this occurrence is happening on a widespread, consistent basis in the south now, as opposed to 30-40 years ago? Thanks.

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