Originally Posted by

**jimbo**
No. What you should have gathered from my reply is that the absence of a percentage figure in no way negates the fact that an order or policy to hire a given number, or percentage, or just a random number picked out of a lottery machine is, in fact, a quota. For all I know, the judge did, in fact, do the math and determine that there needed to be a specific number of blacks and/or latinos, whatever that number is, to to equalize the NYFD policies. OTOH, for all I know, the judge utilized option B, which is picking a random number out of a lottery machine. Either way, it doesn't matter. Telling a group that they must hire a specific number whether that number is a percentage or a specific number, is a quota.