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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I suspect it was presented in court. Which is a point I keep making. In court, both sides present evidence. This was not the first case, and in each case evidence is presented. This is how it is done, right?
    Yes. But what the basis for the evidence was.... and whether it was an opinion garnered from an attempt to fill in the blanks of what statistics can't prove... or whether it was in the form of emails from administrators saying, "DON'T HIRE DEM DERE KNEEEGROWS OR DEM MEX-E-CANS!" are two different things.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    the FDNY not representing NYC's demographics, is not in itself evidence of institutionalized racism at the FDNY.

    however, some folks simply want to find racism...so they will see it wherever they can.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the FDNY not representing NYC's demographics, is not in itself evidence of institutionalized racism at the FDNY.

    however, some folks simply want to find racism...so they will see it wherever they can.
    Of course....

    People make their livelihood off of looking for racism.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I suspect it was presented in court. Which is a point I keep making. In court, both sides present evidence. This was not the first case, and in each case evidence is presented.
    The outcome of previous cases is inadmissible, as it has no bearing on the facts of the present case.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the FDNY not representing NYC's demographics, is not in itself evidence of institutionalized racism at the FDNY.

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    A quota type system alone cannot be used, however it is can be a factor when considering "underrepresented minority groups".

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    A quota type system alone cannot be used, however it is can be a factor when considering "underrepresented minority groups".
    and what if there are cultural factors behind some of this?

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Did you read this post:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060274304

    This is the important part:



    Reading is our friend.
    Yes - I'm aware of all that was written . . . I'm not being crass on purpose.

    No one's explaining just what about this test must be 'rewritten' so it's 'more passable'

    If minorities are passing it (yes - they're passing it and qualifying) then maybe the ones with this lawsuit shoudl go to them and say 'wow man - how did you pass it?' and try to figure out what they're not understanding.



    So: what they're REALLY juding this by is the % of minorities in the populous to the % of minorities in the FDNY. . . as is evident by the text of the ruling opinion given.

    Don't you see my point: it's ridiculous to suggest that the wording of questions is 'racist' as the original article suggests is the issue . . . in fact: reading carefully the ruling - that's not even the argument being picked apart by the judiciary itself. The test questions are not 'comprehensible only to whites'

    Now - reading said court opinion . . . Go to page 18 and 19. . . read all that.
    What they incorporated into their decision making process was this disparity calculation - based on a what if scenario. *If* they failed *but* were able to still take the PPT and other components of the qualification-process *then* maybe more of them would have passed and qualified.

    But you know what: they didn't - that's not how it was done. . . they had set up that you have to pass the written test first - achieve the proper percentile score - BEFORE you can do anything else. . . to me: I don't see what's wrong with that at all.

    If I were one of the passing minorities on the force I'd be so embarassed and offended that *I* was able to pass but *they* weren't so - it's just not good enough for them? What pricks!

    And you know: being a female college student I get it all the time: the under-achievers in my classes always try to alter the way things are done and argue in favor of wrong answers to try to squeeze out an extra point or two from a test. . . it's obnoxious.

    Taking a test = study for that mother ****er . . .

    I GUARANTEE YOU that if they applied theirselves MORE then more of them would have passed: **** - they're not STUPID are they? They figured out how to wage a lawsuit for Christ's sake . . . they're just lazy and using a race-card to get away with it.

    It's so offensive.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    First, if there is significant evidence of violating the equal rights act then the judge ruled properly.

    Second, to all those who insisted that there is no quota system being used anywhere in the US (in other threads on similar topics), I respectfully say, "Bite me, bitches, I told you so!"

    There IS a quota system still in place and it IS being enforced. So there.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    First, if there is significant evidence of violating the equal rights act then the judge ruled properly.

    Second, to all those who insisted that there is no quota system being used anywhere in the US (in other threads on similar topics), I respectfully say, "Bite me, bitches, I told you so!"

    There IS a quota system still in place and it IS being enforced. So there.
    The only thing argued that could have been changed in the court's opinion was the order in which elements of the 'pass fail' system were presented.

    Currently it's: Pass the written exam with an 84% FIRST - if you pass then proceed to the PPT, and so on.
    Their suggestion: 'Don't do the written exam FIRST' . . . or 'lower the passing grade'

    Why isn't the response from others more along the lines of 'apply yourself more so you can pass the test' - is this really racist to suggest? The ones who DID take it DID pass it and DID go on to qualify and ARE part of this so called 'racist' system of firefighters, now - they deserve recognition for their success. They've proven it's obtainable and passible. THEY, have no doubt, put in extra study time and learned what they didn't already know.

    Bravo for their success.

    This whole lawsuit and ruling diminishes their success which is such a tragic shame: the only time being better than the rest turns out to be a bad thing in life.

    I just don't see it being the *fault* of the FDNY whether or not they come prepared to pass the written test.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and what if there are cultural factors behind some of this?

    It appears that would be fine.

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