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    I always thought special tests of being allowed to score differently was far more racist than the makeup of said force.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not to mention, someone had to bring this before the judge... judges don't go out yanking people into court to fit their own social agenda.

    So, prior to some judge believing that minorities simply can not get along in life without his help....

    Some minorities believed that they simply could not get along in life without the government's help.

    Imagine that......

    In the age of, "THE GOVERNMENT WILL HELP YOU!" style of thinking.
    let's see
    they initiated legal action
    and they then prevailed
    as a LEO, you should be able to comprehend that is a strong indication that there was basis to their claim
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If that were all I posted maybe you'd have a point. However I also posted analysis and examples of laws created to restrict minorities from joining civil service institutions. The rest of your post? Nothing but the same old tired apologist nonsense. Why don't you tell us about the time you listened to James Brown? Maybe we'll care.
    Are those laws still in place?

    Do you have anything relevant to the 21st century? Or are you still living in the 1700s?




    It's called a primary source. Do you know what that is? It's a statement from somebody living at the time. Lol.
    And it has what to do with the CURRENT "racist" test?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well I just don't see how a test such as that can be 'rewritten' so it's 'dumbed down' or something - it sounds like that's what they're suggesting must be done.

    I don't get it: it's a test - you take it, they score it and go from there . . . if hiring isn't based *on* the test then why are they suing *over* the test? They're suing focusing on the test - claiming that it's written for whites - so what does a 'black' test look like?

    If they believe they've been discriminated against then why is the TEST this huge determining factor? Why not the hiring managers, the process - everything else? Focusing on the test is ridiculous because ANYONE can study content and learn and do good on a test. . . can't they? Of course they can.

    Are these people saying they're incapable of studying and learning and putting time and effort in order to pass the tests if they really tried?

    My son wasn't born stupid just because he's mixed - he's quite capable of learning just like everyone else and when the time comes for him to be employed and if he chooses a career that he knows you MUST test into - I'll be certain to help him study and make it through it. But if he ever fails at anything in life I won't let him use his color as an iota of an excuse.

    It's insulting to the entire race / people / culture / region when people stoop to that level.
    Did you read this post:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060274304

    This is the important part:

    The City has failed to demonstrate a sufficient relationship between the tasks of a firefighter and the abilities it intended to test on Exams 7029 and 2043. It has failed to take measures to ensure the reliability of those examinations; it has failed to take steps to ensure that that the reading level of the examinations was appropriate; it has failed to test for various recognized important abilities of a firefighter; it has failed to test for abilities needed upon entry into the Academy, rather than abilities to be learned on the job; it has failed to retain
    testing professionals to devise the examination questions; and it has failed to demonstrate that the examinations it administered actually tested the abilities it intended to test. Compounding these
    failings, the City has imposed arbitrary pass/fail scores, unrelated to the qualifications for the job of entry-level firefighter, and has constructed eligibility lists based on distinctions in test scores
    that are unrelated to corresponding differences in the qualifications of firefighter candidates. Following the Second Circuit’s holding in Guardians, the court concludes that the City
    improperly relied upon these poorly constructed examinations in the face of a disparate impact upon minority candidates.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's see
    they initiated legal action
    and they then prevailed
    as a LEO, you should be able to comprehend that is a strong indication that there was basis to their claim
    No... not when it comes to civil rights law........ Its all based on human emotion, especially in a district court with a judge's emotions reigning over the decision.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Statistics don't prove ****.

    So what... irish people made up a large percentage of the police department.

    Irish also made up over 50% of the arrests..... Which mean...... they hated their own people?

    No, it means that its all a god damned coincidence that you are trying to use as proof of something.

    Statistics don't explain anything without additional evidence.
    Statistics are a starting point. However, I do note the Judge does claim long standing discrimination:

    Declining to impose racial quotas, Judge Garaufis nonetheless ruled that a systemic effort was required. “It is the court’s view that nearly 40 years of discrimination will not be cured by a few simple tweaks to the city’s policies and practices,” he wrote.

    (snip)

    Judge Garaufis did not, however, lay blame entirely at Mr. Bloomberg’s feet.

    “That this discrimination has been allowed to persist in New York City for so long,” he wrote, “is a shameful blight on the records of the six mayors of this city who failed to take responsibility for doing what was necessary to end it.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/ny...dge-rules.html

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Are those laws still in place?

    Do you have anything relevant to the 21st century? Or are you still living in the 1700s?

    And it has what to do with the CURRENT "racist" test?
    There were no institutional fire departments in the US in the 1700s. Are you sure you don't mean the 1900s? Either case my statement was a simple one: Civil institutions have historically been used to racially discriminate. I've shown this to be true up until at least 50 years ago. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? No? Then go arrest a few black kids for smoking pot or something.
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    No... not when it comes to civil rights law........ Its all based on human emotion, especially in a district court with a judge's emotions reigning over the decision.
    with that perception, and being a member of law enforcement, i hope your views are not shared by LEOs in my community
    that emotion would prevail over fact in the federal courts is hogwash
    your debate position has been extinguished and you are grasping for tiny, imagined straws
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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    with that perception, and being a member of law enforcement, i hope your views are not shared by LEOs in my community
    that emotion would prevail over fact in the federal courts is hogwash
    your debate position has been extinguished and you are grasping for tiny, imagined straws
    Then I think it is important when a judge's decision could be viewed as being based upon emotion that said decision be articulated.

    We have little to no reason to believe that this case is not based on some emotion or some socio-political agenda.

    As I still refuse to believe a test can somehow be racist.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: FDNY ordered to hire minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Then I think it is important when a judge's decision could be viewed as being based upon emotion that said decision be articulated.

    We have little to no reason to believe that this case is not based on some emotion or some socio-political agenda.

    As I still refuse to believe a test can somehow be racist.
    Unless of course the tests are graded arbitrarily and the only ones who seem to statistically do badly on it are minorities. - You remind me of people who don't watch where they are going and wonder why they keep falling. There can't possibly be a pattern. It must be the sidewalk.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 03-09-12 at 05:10 PM.
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