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Explosive Growth of Militias

Thunder said:
wtf are you talking about?

we're talking about militias, many of which are clearly racist and politically extremist.

if you want to talk about democrats, make another thead.
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Outline proof of the "many" you are talking about....

j-mac
 
Gimmesometruth said:
There is where your confusion stems, I never wrote that "the militia movement is a separatist movement" or anything like that. I said that the militia movement has elements of separatism within it....AND THAT SEPARATISM WILL PROBABLY COME UP IN THE CONVERSATION.

I did not bring up either, I was correcting logical errors about separatism not containing racism....it does, and those that hold to this view are holding to a racist ideology...ie they are racists.
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Are you implying that I am a racist? Maybe I should call Weaver an Isolationist. I explained that... well you KNOW what I explained. Just because someone wants to be separate from other groups of people does not mean that they hold hatred, resentment, ill will or discrimination toward that group. Weaver has his reasons and they are not based in supremacy / racism.

You never answered my question about black separatism, is that racist as well?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
The 'Patriot' Movement Explodes | Southern Poverty Law Center
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The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) started as a civil rights organization with good intentions, fighting racists such as the KKK. However in recent decades it has gone crazy, leveling accusations of racism unjustly, branding as “bigoted” many groups and individuals whose only crime lies in their refusal to embrace the SPLC’s left-wing agenda. (The group is so radical that they receive grants from the progressive puppet master himself George Soros)

For example, during the summer of discontent when Americans were showing up at town hall meetings to protest the Obamacare bill, Mark Potok, spokesman and director of publications and information for the SPLC, appeared in an ABC News story about how racist, white militias are somehow connected to town hall protests. Potok shared his belief that the election of Obama has “triggered fears among fairly large numbers of white people in this country that they are somehow losing their country.”

Last March the SPLC created a report called “Rage on the Right” which attacks Tea Parties, CPAC, Glenn Beck, Rep. Michelle Bachman and others as part of “dangerous, right wing groups rich with veins of radical ideas, conspiracy theories and racism.” The report was filled with misstatements and exaggerations that give the reader a feeling the SPLC never really explored what they reported about but simply watched commentaries on the subjects given by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann.

Leftist Hate Group Southern Poverty Law Center Libels Pamela Geller as a Racist | NewsReal Blog
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SLPC is nothing more than a racist hate group themselves.


j-mac
 
Thunder said:
that's one of the truist things I've ever read at this forum.

congrats.
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Fixed it for you....Care to address the Red House stuff, or did you run away and concede?


j-mac
 
taxigirl said:
Are you implying that I am a racist?
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My goodness, the level of reading comprehension here has fallen to an all time low! Please, tell me how you saw that in what I wrote.

Maybe I should call Weaver an Isolationist. I explained that... well you KNOW what I explained. Just because someone wants to be separate from other groups of people does not mean that they hold hatred, resentment, ill will or discrimination toward that group. Weaver has his reasons and they are not based in supremacy / racism.
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You made the claim that Weaver and his family were White separatists and were not racists, I proved to you that racial separatism is a racist ideology....AND YOU AGREED THAT IT IS.
If the Weavers were separatists, then they were racists.

You never answered my question about black separatism, is that racist as well?
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For the third time, I did answer it, TWICE. If you would go back, look at what I wrote, realize that you ignored the first one and missed the 2nd because you decided to answer a response to someone else....you JUST MIGHT SEE YOUR ERROR.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
My goodness, the level of reading comprehension here has fallen to an all time low! Please, tell me how you saw that in what I wrote.

You made the claim that Weaver and his family were White separatists and were not racists, I proved to you that racial separatism is a racist ideology....AND YOU AGREED THAT IT IS.
If the Weavers were separatists, then they were racists.

For the third time, I did answer it, TWICE. If you would go back, look at what I wrote, realize that you ignored the first one and missed the 2nd because you decided to answer a response to someone else....you JUST MIGHT SEE YOUR ERROR.
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You stated "was correcting logical errors about separatism not containing racism....it does, and those that hold to this view are holding to a racist ideology...ie they are racists."
I am holding to the view that separatism does not contain racism at a small level (Weaver) and I admitted that large scale, yes it does, however I still hold to that (separatism does not inherently contain racism) "racist ideology" therefore I am a racist.
 
So the Southern Poverty Law Center is implying all militias are hate groups and extremists? Maybe they should practice what they preach, tolerance.
 
taxigirl said:
You stated "was correcting logical errors about separatism not containing racism....it does, and those that hold to this view are holding to a racist ideology...ie they are racists."
I am holding to the view that separatism does not contain racism at a small level (Weaver) and I admitted that large scale, yes it does, however I still hold to that (separatism does not inherently contain racism) "racist ideology" therefore I am a racist.
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It never ceases to amaze me how people will twist words into what they want.

When I say
"I was correcting logical errors about separatism not containing racism....it does, and those that hold to this view are holding to a racist ideology...ie they are racists."
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...the "it" refers to "racial separatism"....not YOU. YOU do not hold to (agree with) "racial separatism", at least I don't think you do...but then I could be wrong.......but to think that I am inferring that you are is just really silly....but then I suppose you need ANOTHER distraction from what I am saying. Now, APPARENTLY, you have FINALLY found the answer to the question you asked 3 times before that I answered twice before....but who knows, maybe you will try and bring it up again.

And AGAIN, as I said BEFORE, it doesn't matter the size of actions that an ideology manifests itself as, if a racist ideology is held by one or a million, it is still a racist ideology. The racial separatism that the Weaver's held to was racist, it is racist if a million believe it.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060279261 said:
So the Southern Poverty Law Center is implying all militias are hate groups and extremists? Maybe they should practice what they preach, tolerance.
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not all, but many.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060279261 said:
So the Southern Poverty Law Center is implying all militias are hate groups and extremists? Maybe they should practice what they preach, tolerance.
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I don't think they said "all militias" and the SPLC does not preach "tolerate hate groups".
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I don't think they said "all militias" and the SPLC does not preach "tolerate hate groups".
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Tell you what . . . why don't you state just how much of the "militia movement" IS racist and separatist. Then, there will be no more confusion and misreading.

Don't give me a link to the SPLC; just give what YOU think the actual proportion is. I simply wish to know exactly what you're saying when you say it's "part of the militia movement."
 
Harshaw said:
Tell you what . . . why don't you state just how much of the "militia movement" IS racist and separatist. Then, there will be no more confusion and misreading.

Don't give me a link to the SPLC; just give what YOU think the actual proportion is. I simply wish to know exactly what you're saying when you say it's "part of the militia movement."
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so you prefer opinion...over evidence?

pathetic. just pathetic.
 
jimbo said:
SPLC statements are opinion.
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wrong. they are based on research.

however, I don't think a majority of militias are dangerous. They are just silly boys playing with their toys.

however, some of the miltias, filled with racist, anti-Semitic, radical assholes, should be monitored by state authorities and the FBI to make sure they aren't gonna blow up a federal building full of innocent civilians, or shoot up a court house.
 
Not to mention, SPLC statements are BIASED opinion.

And of dubious accuracy. They don't seem to know the diff between militia and survivalists for instance, and blur the distinctions between violent and non-violent right-leaning orgs.


I've long been convinced that ANYTHING the SPLC puts out is questionable at least, and often pure bull****.
 
Thunder said:
wrong. they are based on research.

however, I don't think a majority of militias are dangerous. They are just silly boys playing with their toys.

however, some of the miltias, filled with racist, anti-Semitic, radical assholes, should be monitored by state authorities and the FBI to make sure they aren't gonna blow up a federal building full of innocent civilians, or shoot up a court house.
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Can you tell me when a hate group, other than those that existed prior to the 1960's (KKK and such) or miltia has killed anyone or blown up a building?
 
taxigirl said:
Can you tell me when a hate group, other than those that existed prior to the 1960's (KKK and such) or miltia has killed anyone or blown up a building?
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you're kidding me???????????????????????????????

Neo-Nazis haven't killed anyone???????????
 
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