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Explosive Growth of Militias

Really?
well, recently we have had




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Remember this? The idiots burned down 65 houses. MOVE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I'm getting tired of stating the fact that there is a threat from our own government. Just pay attention.


You could triple the number of items and still not prove a 'threat'... just some isolated clusters of incompetency.
 
I discussed your links at length, which I believe you ignored completely. In short, several of the the links you provided for "legitimate civilian militias" provide ample probably cause for these toy soldiers to be put under observation.

I didn't mean to imply you. I was addressing the people that were currently on the thread. The links provided regarding militias are real militias, I did not make any statements regarding their mental state or intentions. I was trying to address the topic of the OP that there were many and they were not all haters. The posts I referred to that no one bothered to read were the ones reading Weaver. People kept making false assumptions / allegations and had no idea what they were talking about because they would not listen to me or read any of the information. :peace
 
It does not matter why someone feels they need more guns,

If they intend to commit a crime, it sure as hell does matter.

Your attempts to parse and paraphrase my posts are ignorant and pathetic.

I advocate that law enforcement follow procedure and investigate suspicious activity.

Fringe groups stockpiling guns is suspicious.

These groups go outside the usually legal channels and get on the ATFs radar, then they bitch and scream that law effacement was overreaching when their plan to start trouble was foiled. "Those meddling kids..."
 
taxigirl- so when do you think militias should start killing police or elected officials?

That's an open question, but it's apparent that we should all just ignore them UNLESSS or UNTIL they start killing LEOs and blowing up federal buildings. That seems to be the lesson here.
 
taxigirl- so when do you think militias should start killing police or elected officials?

When did I say that?

but since you ask, I think it would be appropriate when they knock down your door for no reason and do not identify themselves, when they do any other above atrocities, when they shoot innocent people, when they accidentally smoke out the wrong house, etc...

I suggest you wikipedia elected officials killed while in office. You will find that they were generally killed by INDIVIDUALS. Are you placing a higher value on elected officials than your average Joe?
 
...but since you ask, I think it would be appropriate when they knock down your door for no reason and do not identify themselves, when they do any other above atrocities, when they shoot innocent people, when they accidentally smoke out the wrong house, etc...

and what should the militias do, once this time has come?

who should they kill?
 
That's an open question, but it's apparent that we should all just ignore them UNLESSS or UNTIL they start killing LEOs and blowing up federal buildings. That seems to be the lesson here.
People who have succeeded with the most destructive acts of domestic terrorism were not even "on the radar". McVeigh, The News Years Gang, Ted Kaczynski, SLA, etc... if we don't know who they are we can't stop them. So we investigate everyone?
 
People who have succeeded with the most destructive acts of domestic terrorism were not even "on the radar". McVeigh, The News Years Gang, Ted Kaczynski, SLA, etc... if we don't know who they are we can't stop them. So we investigate everyone?

folks who amass weapons, and have extremist ideologies, should be investigated to make sure they aren't planning on murdering people.
 
and what should the militias do, once this time has come?

who should they kill?

The people who are trying to kill them for no apparent reason. I'm not saying they should plot an overthrow of the government, just protect themselves, because it is a reality that when you have different ideas and add guns people assume you are the bad guy.
 
The people who are trying to kill them for no apparent reason....

if someone breaks down your door....and does not identify themselves as police or some other form of law enforcement, you have the right to shoot them.

...I think.

however, if they DO identify themselves as FBI, or ATF, or DEA, or NYPD, and you still kill them...you have committd murder and should fry.
 
If you're trying to be honest why are you LYING even about the questions you're asking? You've already made up your mind that the anti-government whackjobs are above reproach and anyone who has a different opiniion is -- according to you -- just not being honest. :2rofll:

No. You are refusing to take my points honestly. This is has been from post to post.

You KNOW you are, because I know you're not so stupid as not to understand them.
 
folks who amass weapons, and have extremist ideologies, should be investigated to make sure they aren't planning on murdering people.

So now we know what they are thinking and planning. Thought police? Precognition? Just because they have guns and hold unpopular beliefs does not mean they are a threat. The government / police agencies still need a reason.
 
So now we know what they are thinking and planning. Thought police? Precognition? Just because they have guns and hold unpopular beliefs does not mean they are a threat. The government / police agencies still need a reason.

They're doing something completely legal that makes him, personally, nervous, so of course they're automatically up to no good.

Yes, you need a reason for reasonable suspicion.
 
if someone breaks down your door....and does not identify themselves as police or some other form of law enforcement, you have the right to shoot them.

...I think.

however, if they DO identify themselves as FBI, or ATF, or DEA, or NYPD, and you still kill them...you have committd murder and should fry.

There is a death penalty thread elsewhere.
 
So now we know what they are thinking and planning. Thought police? Precognition? Just because they have guns and hold unpopular beliefs does not mean they are a threat. The government / police agencies still need a reason.

so, if 30 Muslim-extremists, are ammasing lots of guns, and doing tactical training in the woods of central New York, you don't want the FBI investigating these guys to make sure they ain't planning something?

or do Muslim militias get special treatment, that Christian militias don't?
 
People who have succeeded with the most destructive acts of domestic terrorism were not even "on the radar". McVeigh, The News Years Gang, Ted Kaczynski, SLA, etc...

What do you mean by that? Once they began committing crimes, the investigations began.

But with innovations in law enforcement technology, criminology, and profiling, how many thousands of people have been apprehended before they got a change to really get started.

Everyone stop what you''re doing and thank the FBI and AFT for every one they've picked up before he/she committed the next Oklahoma city.
 
yeah, somehow I think that if there were 100 Muslim-extremists, amassing lots of guns, and doing tactical training somewhere in the woods of the USA, most Americans would want the authorities watching these guys with a damn magnifying glass.
 
so, if 30 Muslim-extremists, are ammasing lots of guns, and doing tactical training in the woods of central New York, you don't want the FBI investigating these guys to make sure they ain't planning something?

or do Muslim militias get special treatment, that Christian militias don't?


Why yes....Yes they do...



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As far as I know they have been left alone.


j-mac
 
Gimmsometruth,

Yes i said "His family were white separatists, this does not make them racist ". If this is true than Weaver is every type of "ist" there is because he just wants to be left alone. It does not make him racist because he wants to be separate from everyone. At this point I don't blame him.

Just as he would not want someone of a different race near him he would not want the Bill Maher near him, me, you. Goshin, Pamela Anderson, Larry Flint, Dick Cheney etc... etc... get it?
I get that racial separatism and "not wanting to be near a different race" is racism, ie Randy and his family were racists. He did not reject having contact with other people, he sold weapons to others for income. No family is an island.

Not wanting to be near entertainers or a former VP does not excuse someone from being a racist.
 
:doh No, it's not. That's idiotic. Separatism goes against the entire notion of a "militia" in every way possible.

Militia =/= separatist.

Militia =/= white supremacist.

Militia = members of a community coming together for mutual defense.
Um....the militia movement DOES HAVE members who believe in separatism, so yes, separatism IS a part of the militia movement and will be a part of a conversation on militias. I did not introduce separatism or militias into this conversation.
 
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