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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is that a long winded way of saying that you don't believe in democracy? We'd be better off if this country was run by a bunch of heavily armed warlords, each with his own interpretation of what the Constitution means?
    How can you interpret what he said as saying that he doesn't believe in democracy? All he is doing is stating the current economic and political problems that are going on in the US today.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Can you provide any evidence that the SPLC has an agenda? Seeing as how you are the one who wants "outside data" to support a statement, shouldn't you be acting in such a manner when you say organizations have an agenda?
    Nice dodge. So you don't need outside data to support a statement like the SPLC said. This is a debate site, so I will retract my statment of the SPLC has an agenda.
    The retraction is based on that you need no supporting data for statements. All of the following must be true then?

    Then you must believe this article about the SPLC
    Lynn Stuter -- SPLC showing its true colors

    "the SPLC website, American Border Patrol is listed as “anti-immigrant.” Anti means against; anti-immigrant, then, would mean an organization against allowing people to enter the country, legally, to become citizens.

    Is this a true representation of American Border Patrol? It becomes very apparent, in a walk through of the American Border Patrol website, that American Border Patrol has no problem with those who enter this country legally with the intent of becoming citizens, are legal immigrants; that the American Border Patrol only has a problem with foreign nationals who enter the United States without the proper papers and without the proper authorization; who are, in fact, illegal aliens. Such entry into the United States is, by law, a criminal act, a criminal offense. There is a great deal of difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant or illegal alien.

    or no issue with this article Faith Group Protests Southern Poverty Law Center Over 'Hate Group' Label, Christian News

    and last but not least. you must believe all of this.SPLC's Mark Potok Inadvertently Reveals Agenda, Motive, Method | VDARE.com
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is that a long winded way of saying that you don't believe in democracy? We'd be better off if this country was run by a bunch of heavily armed warlords, each with his own interpretation of what the Constitution means?
    Democracy by itself is destructive, our founding fathers understood this and is the reason that we are a REPUBLIC democracy (emphasis on republic) and not just a democracy. But no. If anything I am saying that I am sick and fracking tired of all the hyperpartisan politicing going on. If anything I am saying that we all need to unite and stop the crap going on in the government that is createing the divide that we are seeing across all the spectrums of the political sphere. If anything I am saying that people need to grow thicker skins and stop calling out "RACISM!!!!" at every little fracking thing. If anything I am saying that we all need to start listening, and thinking, and understanding instead of bickering over every little fracking thing. God/evolution gave us a brain for a reason...we need to start using it instead of just reacting to everything.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Personally, I'm not all that comfortable with armed groups rolling around like this. Especially when racism, homophobia, and religiously motivated bigotry is often a part of their agendas. I don't see how these groups are any different from gangs. Both groups support violence and exclusivity, and are armed with dangerous weapons. So yeah, I see these militias as gangs with different terminology. And they differ by their age and race, of course.

    Bud, the typical militia is nothing to fear.

    Lemme splain...

    Average militia meeting....

    8 AM formation and briefing.... this means people drag in at random between 8 and 10 AM, talk about deer hunting and NASCAR and drink coffee....

    9AM Tactical drill (reset to 10:30 AM).... some guy who was an E6 and worked in the motor pool lectures on movement-to-contact, and they spend an hour in the woods doing some very basic maneuvers... poorly....

    10 AM Range Time (reset to 11:30 AM) .... an hour or so spent shooting at targets with whatever weapons they have, mostly semi-auto AKs and ARs and shotguns.

    Noon Lunch (reset to 12:45). Barbeque and beer. This blows the afternoon schedule to hell, because by the time everybody has eaten all the barbecue and drank three or four beers, they're not really inclined to do anything but sit in their campchairs and drink MORE beer and talk about deer hunting, NASCAR, and what a bastard Obama is.

    5 PM --- Everybody is pretty drunk by now and their longsuffering wives are driving them home, except for Earl who insists he can drive until Captain Billy-Joe (former clerk, rank corporal US Airforce) shouts him down and makes him give up his truck keys.

    Satisfied, in their drunken haze, that they've made America safe for democracy with their training, they head home to eat supper and sleep it off....


    You prolly think I jest. I do not. I've known some militia guys.


    I would have joined (the barbeque is great and those guys know all the best places to hunt) but I just couldn't drink that much beer.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Nice dodge. So you don't need outside data to support a statement like the SPLC said. This is a debate site, so I will retract my statment of the SPLC has an agenda.
    The retraction is based on that you need no supporting data for statements. All of the following must be true then?

    Then you must believe this article about the SPLC
    Lynn Stuter -- SPLC showing its true colors

    "the SPLC website, American Border Patrol is listed as “anti-immigrant.” Anti means against; anti-immigrant, then, would mean an organization against allowing people to enter the country, legally, to become citizens.

    Is this a true representation of American Border Patrol? It becomes very apparent, in a walk through of the American Border Patrol website, that American Border Patrol has no problem with those who enter this country legally with the intent of becoming citizens, are legal immigrants; that the American Border Patrol only has a problem with foreign nationals who enter the United States without the proper papers and without the proper authorization; who are, in fact, illegal aliens. Such entry into the United States is, by law, a criminal act, a criminal offense. There is a great deal of difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant or illegal alien.

    or no issue with this article Faith Group Protests Southern Poverty Law Center Over 'Hate Group' Label, Christian News

    and last but not least. you must believe all of this.SPLC's Mark Potok Inadvertently Reveals Agenda, Motive, Method | VDARE.com
    What do you mean "nice dodge?" Is it a problem that I am asking you to back up your statements?

    LOLZ. Why are you linking to articles and say that I must believe them? None of the articles you gave prove that the SPLC has an agenda. Proving that the SPLC has an agenda would mean that you have actual documentation that the SPLC is saying and doing things all with the purpose of promoting a certain viewpoint.

    EDIT:

    The first article does not do that. The second article only shows that some Christians are upset at how the SPLC uses their hate lablel. The final article is a complete joke. It's more of an opinion piece rather than an article that is presenting the facts. This is shown in not only the tone of the article, but also childish behavior such as replacing the S with $.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Especially when racism, homophobia, and religiously motivated bigotry is often a part of their agendas.
    Where is your information which supports this conclusion?

    (Sounds like a different sort of person spouting off about the gay "agenda," actually.)
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    What do you mean "nice dodge?" Is it a problem that I am asking you to back up your statements?

    LOLZ. Why are you linking to articles and say that I must believe them? None of the articles you gave prove that the SPLC has an agenda. Proving that the SPLC has an agenda would mean that you have actual documentation that the SPLC is saying and doing things all with the purpose of promoting a certain viewpoint.

    EDIT:

    The first article does not do that. The second article only shows that some Christians are upset at how the SPLC uses their hate lablel. The final article is a complete joke. It's more of an opinion piece rather than an article that is presenting the facts. This is shown in not only the tone of the article, but also childish behavior such as replacing the S with $.
    What we have here is a failure to communicate.

    I was being sarcastic in responding to you by linking the articles with the idea since you believe the SPLC you should believe those articles without them proving their stance.

    Again, the point is the SPLC made a statement. They have the burden of proving it. They fail in doing so.

    OK, to make you feel better I retract my statement of they have a hidden agenda.

    It is not worth the bandwidth to post links to sites under the search SPLC hidden agenda. try ti sometime.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What we have here is a failure to communicate.

    I was being sarcastic in responding to you by linking the articles with the idea since you believe the SPLC you should believe those articles without them proving their stance.

    Again, the point is the SPLC made a statement. They have the burden of proving it. They fail in doing so.

    OK, to make you feel better I retract my statement of they have a hidden agenda.

    It is not worth the bandwidth to post links to sites under the search SPLC hidden agenda. try ti sometime.
    I seriously doubt that this has anything to do with making me feel better and more to do with the fact that I destroyed your argument.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Remember a few years ago "the year of the shark" where the media reported ad nauseum every shark attack it could find, making the people think there was an epidemic?


    Yeah, shark attacks were actually down that year, it was a made up story.....


    Militia stories on the way up towards the november elections? made up.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Remember a few years ago "the year of the shark" where the media reported ad nauseum every shark attack it could find, making the people think there was an epidemic?


    Yeah, shark attacks were actually down that year, it was a made up story.....


    Militia stories on the way up towards the november elections? made up.
    If you think that these stories are made up, do you mind providing evidence?
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