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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Thanks for the correction, I was reiterating old news I had seen from a couple years ago. Bad source I assume.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Thoughts on this?
    1) I'm not a fan of them. A lot of militias, I think, are outlets for fear and frustration, and if they aren't careful they can turn quite dangerous. I, personally, am more in favor of non-violent protest and civil disobedience.

    2) On the other hand, I'm not sure if I blame them considering all the bull**** going on in the federal government nowadays. Domestic drone surveillance. Indefinite detention of American citizens. Arrests for constitutionally protected peaceful protest of our government for the redress of grievances. Things are getting worse and worse in regards to civil liberties, so I can understand why the fear is there. I feel it too.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The anti gun leftwing nutcases claim that only members of a "well organized"militia have the right to keep and bear arms so when people form such organizations, the same far left nutcases soil their shorts over such facts. Of course they don't get as worried by groups like the crips and the bloods and the MS-13 which are far more violent far left "militias" since those groups tend to be made up of the minorities the far left loons support, enable or excuse
    So, a pro gun far rightwing nutcase wouldn't have a problem with, for example, the Weather Underground reconstituting, recruiting four or five hundred thousand heavily armed members, and carrying out military maneuvers in his home town? While explicitly stating that they're just keeping watch to make sure that the government doesn't do anything that *they* deem unconstitutional?
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Mr. Invisable.:
    You quoted the OP article of:
    "The spike in these groups can be attributed to a combination of factors, including the sluggish economy, radical propaganda and anxiety over the election of a black president, [the SPLC's Mark] Potok said."

    "Now once again, where is the intellectual dishonesty from SPLC? "

    When I read that part of the article I took it as an opinion by Potok. Did he quote or provide outside data to support the statement? IMO, you have to take the SPLC with a grain of salt. You don't think such organizations have a slanted agenda?
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    1) I'm not a fan of them. A lot of militias, I think, are outlets for fear and frustration, and if they aren't careful they can turn quite dangerous. I, personally, am more in favor of non-violent protest and civil disobedience.

    2) On the other hand, I'm not sure if I blame them considering all the bull**** going on in the federal government nowadays. Domestic drone surveillance. Indefinite detention of American citizens. Arrests for constitutionally protected peaceful protest of our government for the redress of grievances. Things are getting worse and worse in regards to civil liberties, so I can understand why the fear is there. I feel it too.
    I believe many security organs in the government regard around 1/10 americans as having the means and politically radicalized enough to pose a threat.
    I generally agree with your stance.

    I apologise I don't want them hit with artillery.
    I want them to be 25% FBI agents.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Mr. Invisable.:
    You quoted the OP article of:
    "The spike in these groups can be attributed to a combination of factors, including the sluggish economy, radical propaganda and anxiety over the election of a black president, [the SPLC's Mark] Potok said."

    "Now once again, where is the intellectual dishonesty from SPLC? "

    When I read that part of the article I took it as an opinion by Potok. Did he quote or provide outside data to support the statement? IMO, you have to take the SPLC with a grain of salt. You don't think such organizations have a slanted agenda?
    Can you provide any evidence that the SPLC has an agenda? Seeing as how you are the one who wants "outside data" to support a statement, shouldn't you be acting in such a manner when you say organizations have an agenda?
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I believe many security organs in the government regard around 1/10 americans as having the means and politically radicalized enough to pose a threat.
    I generally agree with your stance.
    A little off-topic, but a related question:
    Whose fault was the Revolutionary War? Was it the King of England, or the American colonialists? Think about it.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Militia, as in the constitutional sense, is the people. These would be military-oriented people. They are, in effect, civilian soldiers, and they are perfectly legal. I'm sure you are familiar with the modern-day Minutemen. They are an unarmed militia. Other militia groups focus on constitutional issues, and teach or organize groups with similar approaches to government. Militia groups aren't hillbillies in the hills of Kentucky sporting automatic weapons. Those would be outlaws. Militias are lawful citizens who have formed groups, and are not a rebellion movement. They are subject to the law, but are not representatives of the law. Think of them as Boy Scouts with guns.


    Texas Militia
    Okay, the more I read of that first link the more I think these guys are anything but "legitimate" militia groups.

    The militia/patriot movement backed down the gun hating Clintonista's in the 1990's. Now the Socialist Obomination regime in power in D.C. are even more anti-gun than the Clintonistas were and they want to pass a law declaring gun owning right wing conservatives "potential threats" and ban us from owning guns.
    ... while suggesting that the EVIL UNITED NATIONS may just go door to do confiscating your guns!!

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    U.S. News - Election, economy spark explosive growth of militias





    Thoughts on this? I hope they get whacked by artillery.
    Is this really any surprise? With all the focus on rich vs poor, all the false claims of racism by not just the ordinary people but by those that are supposed to be "in the know" (IE government officials...like pelosi). The worst recession since the Great Depression. The vast amounts of bigotry and hypocrits. The tons of people that just won't listen to any side but thiers because they think that the other side is full of nothing but theives and liars while their side is as close to pristine and angelic as is possible.

    Its really not just Obama. He's really just a scapegoat for the simple fact that he's The President for those that don't want to admit that they are in the wrong.

    The only thing that I am surprised at is that there isn't MORE militia groups out there.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is this really any surprise? With all the focus on rich vs poor, all the false claims of racism by not just the ordinary people but by those that are supposed to be "in the know" (IE government officials...like pelosi). The worst recession since the Great Depression. The vast amounts of bigotry and hypocrits. The tons of people that just won't listen to any side but thiers because they think that the other side is full of nothing but theives and liars while their side is as close to pristine and angelic as is possible.

    Its really not just Obama. He's really just a scapegoat for the simple fact that he's The President for those that don't want to admit that they are in the wrong.

    The only thing that I am surprised at is that there isn't MORE militia groups out there.
    Is that a long winded way of saying that you don't believe in democracy? We'd be better off if this country was run by a bunch of heavily armed warlords, each with his own interpretation of what the Constitution means?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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