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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    You must really like making me re-post this stuff....

    As I have stated in several threads on guns, militias etc...

    Everyone thought Randy Weaver was paranoid, but they came for him.

    Frank Clearwater and Buddy Lamont

    Fred Hampton and Mark Clark

    Kent State

    Molly Maguires

    Whiskey Rebellion

    MOVE

    Are these enough examples?
    No, I think you would need a LOT more examples to make a convincing case that regular folks should fear the government. Every large institution will overstep from time to time, or make mistakes, but I'd say the odds are greater that you will be hit by lightening ... twice ... than they are that the black helicopters will come for you. Do people get hit by lightning twice? Yes, it happens. Is it rational to spend a lot of time worrying about it? Not so much.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, I think you would need a LOT more examples to make a convincing case that regular folks should fear the government. Every large institution will overstep from time to time, or make mistakes, but I'd say the odds are greater that you will be hit by lightening ... twice ... than they are that the black helicopters will come for you. Do people get hit by lightning twice? Yes, it happens. Is it rational to spend a lot of time worrying about it? Not so much.
    Who said I spend a lot of time worrying about it? I am saying that I have more concern about the government because they have given me reason to fear while the militias have not. I was amazed that some people in this thread could not imagine that the government has done anything untoward. I said that I did not hear the black helicopters coming. My point is that if I protest, if I speak up, etc.. etc... I am a target just as the people listed and countless other who have had their rights trampled. Our rights exist in the US to protect us from the government (apparently with good reason), not from the nutbag down the street with a gun and an opinion.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I don't know about you, but I see nothing to fear in America's government.
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    again, there is nothing to fear about our government.

    some folks seem to want to find reasons to fear them. its kinda sad and a bit weird.
    You are a member of one of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and overbearing local government's in America; and one of the best examples of why Americans ought to be very suspicious of government in general. Perhaps you find nothing to fear, because you think that as a member of that government, you have it on your side. Most likely, you are very foolish for so thinking; but in any event, your view from inside this corrupt government is not representative of the view of the vast majority of Americans, outside of it.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You are a member of one of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and overbearing local government's in America; and one of the best examples of why Americans ought to be very suspicious of government in general. Perhaps you find nothing to fear, because you think that as a member of that government, you have it on your side.....
    what I do for a living, is none of your ****ing business!!

    what is your problem???????? are these obsessive & unprovoked attacks ever going end???

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what I do for a living, is none of your ****ing business!!
    It's directly relevant to your claim that Americans have nothing to fear from Government. Of course you're going to claim that. You're part of one of the most corrupt governments in the nation, which those under its rule ought to fear the most; and you're a loyal defender of the corruption and tyranny in which you wallow. I think you'll have to excuse the rest of us for not finding much reassurance in your claim that those of us outside of this corruption have nothing to fear from it.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what I do for a living, is none of your ****ing business!!

    what is your problem???????? are these obsessive & unprovoked attacks ever going end???

    I will also point out that you've had no problem with mentioning your government position when you think that doing so supports a point you wish to make. But when it goes against your claim, then suddenly, it's “none of your ****ing business!!”, and mentioning it constitutes “obsessive & unprovoked attacks”.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's directly relevant to your claim that Americans have nothing to fear from Government...

    ...You're part of one of the most corrupt governments in the nation....

    no, its simply part of a very long string of obsessive & unprovoked attacks that you have been tossing at me since you first came to this forum, and its a very sad & strange continuation of totally identical obsessive & unprovoked attacks from another forum. what I do for a living, is none of your God-damned business, and is totally irrelevent to this thread.

    so again I ask, what is your problem?????

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I will also point out that you've had no problem with mentioning your government position when you think that doing so supports a point you wish to make. But when it goes against your claim, then suddenly, it's “none of your ****ing business!!”, and mentioning it constitutes “obsessive & unprovoked attacks”.
    again, you have been attacking me due to my job, and attacking me obsessively & totally unprovoked, since you first came to this forum...and even before.

    what is your deal???????
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Ok. Because I am honest and believe in transparency I am providing you all with evidence that you can use to destroy some of my assertions in this thread. So have a good read and let me have it
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    I have however, bolded some items from the article in my defense.

    FBI agent: Midwest militia group had 'kill' list - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

    Seven members of the Hutaree, including Stone and his wife, face federal charges of sedition, the attempted use of weapons of mass destruction and firearms offenses.

    Defense attorneys have argued the group was merely engaging in angry expressions of free speech and did not intend to commit acts of terrorism. No attacks were carried out.

    Also facing trial are David Brian Stone Sr.'s sons, David Brian Stone Jr. and Joshua Matthew Stone; Michael David Meeks, Thomas William Piatek and Kristopher Sickles.

    Prosecutors played a recording for jurors of a conversation at Stone's wedding in which Joshua John Clough, a Hutaree member who pleaded guilty in December to weapons charges, told Meeks it was "a whole complete kill list."

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didn’t have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, I’m allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and I’ve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I don’t, before you know it, you won’t let me say nothing at all"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what I do for a living, is none of your God-damned business, and is totally irrelevent to this thread.
    What you do for a living is to work for one of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and overbearing governments in the nation. You wallow in the filth, the crime, and the corruption that is New York City. You defend this filth on this forum.

    Your statement that we have nothing to fear from government is like a wolf assuring a sheep that there is no need to fear ravenous predators. We know what side you are on.

    You let this genie out of the bottle. You can't put it back now that it doesn't suit your purposes.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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