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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Speaking of intellectual dishonesty, what does this have anything to do with Obama?
    What Obama has to do with this, is that the article correlates the election of Obama with a rise in militia groups. There is no causative correlation factually made. This is intellectual dishonesty.

    The election of the nation's first black president, Barack Obama, triggered an explosion in the number of militia and so-called "patriot" groups across the U.S., a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) finds.
    http://www.thegrio.com/politics/offi...-across-us.php
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    What I suspect is happening, is that the SPLC (not surprisingly) is lumping regular citizen militias in with "hate groups" and trying to paint the picture that they are one and the same.
    Of course they are. This is not new -- for the SPLC and for many others.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

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    U.S. News - Election, economy spark explosive growth of militias





    Thoughts on this? I hope they get whacked by artillery.
    I feel the same way about the leftwing hate monger loons at the SPLC who create fear among the weakminded by trying to convince those losers (who give the SPLC lots of money) that a bunch of rambo wannabees are a major threat to blacks, lesbians, Jews, Gays, and the other interest groups the SLPC pretends to look out for

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    What Obama has to do with this, is that the article correlates the election of Obama with a rise in militia groups. There is no causative correlation factually made. This is intellectual dishonesty.
    I'm not so sure... Obama has the record for most death threats against him as well.
    Many of the militias are apparently apocalyptic christian groups who state he is the anti-christ.
    The lack of causation defense is paper thin, still a defense however.

    The idea that these groups are good ol boys defending the nation from... something... is a weak argument.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Didn't amount to anything then, and it doesn't now. The SPLC is simply trying to stir up trouble.
    They have to keep people agitated so the money comes in so Morris the slug can maintain his expensive lifestyle

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    What Obama has to do with this, is that the article correlates the election of Obama with a rise in militia groups. There is no causative correlation factually made. This is intellectual dishonesty.
    I'm not so sure... Obama has the record for most death threats against him as well.
    Many of the militias are apparently apocalyptic christian groups who state he is the anti-christ.
    The lack of causation defense is paper thin, still a defense however.

    The idea that these groups are good ol boys defending the nation from... something... is a weak argument.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    What Obama has to do with this, is that the article correlates the election of Obama with a rise in militia groups. There is no causative correlation factually made. This is intellectual dishonesty.


    Obama's election sparked dramatic rise in militia groups in US, report finds
    And from that same article, you ignored the following:

    The report, released Thursday, finds that while there were 149 such groups active in the U.S. when Obama was sworn in, in January 2009, the number today is 1,274 -- an increase of more than 755 percent over the first three years of the Obama administration.

    From MSNBC:

    The SPLC defines the "patriot" movement as made up of conspiracy-minded individuals who see the federal government as their primary enemy. The movement includes paramilitary militias as well as groups of "sovereign citizens," who believe they are not subject to federal or state laws, nor obligated to pay federal taxes, according to SPLC.

    The center also reports a steady rise in the number of hate groups in America -- from 604 in 2000, to more than 1,000 last year. Those include anti-gay groups, anti-Muslim groups, black separatists and "Christian Identity" groups, which hold racist and anti-Semitic views that overlap with neo-Nazi beliefs.

    The spike in these groups can be attributed to a combination of factors, including the sluggish economy, radical propaganda and anxiety over the election of a black president, [the SPLC's Mark] Potok said.

    Potok said although many individuals involved in patriot militias are not criminals, a handful of these groups have been responsible for a significant amount of violence in recent years.


    Now once again, where is the intellectual dishonesty from SPLC? It seems that you are the one who is acting in such a manner.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I'm not so sure... Obama has the record for most death threats against him as well.
    Ummm . . . yeah.

    Secret Service: Threat level against Obama no greater than under Bush, Clinton - On Congress - POLITICO.com
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    The anti gun leftwing nutcases claim that only members of a "well organized"militia have the right to keep and bear arms so when people form such organizations, the same far left nutcases soil their shorts over such facts. Of course they don't get as worried by groups like the crips and the bloods and the MS-13 which are far more violent far left "militias" since those groups tend to be made up of the minorities the far left loons support, enable or excuse

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Militia, as in the constitutional sense, is the people. These would be military-oriented people. They are, in effect, civilian soldiers, and they are perfectly legal. I'm sure you are familiar with the modern-day Minutemen. They are an unarmed militia. Other militia groups focus on constitutional issues, and teach or organize groups with similar approaches to government. Militia groups aren't hillbillies in the hills of Kentucky sporting automatic weapons. Those would be outlaws. Militias are lawful citizens who have formed groups, and are not a rebellion movement. They are subject to the law, but are not representatives of the law. Think of them as Boy Scouts with guns.


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    Of course it's prefectly legal as long as they don't DO anything. But, just taking your first link as an example, it appears that many of these groups think that they have right to interpret the Constitution as they see fit, as opposed to how the Supreme Court sees fit. Again, that's fine as long as they don't DO anything about it. If they want to run around the woods shooting at tin cans, more power to them. As long as they're relatively small, and not a threat to the ACTUAL government....
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