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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I never thought or in any way said it was the right thing to do. I like diversity, so much that I wrote a poem about it. The Weavers believed the avoidancxe of conflict was important. Avoid conflict with government and with people whose culture may be different, They wanted to be left alone.
    You keep on avoiding your own words, your comment that those that believe in white separatism, are not racist. You did not know that white separatism has as a basic idea that miscegenation is a negative. You do not want to acknowledge that white separatism is at its root a racist ideology.

    I know you want to left alone on your faulty point, but the truth remains, those that believe in white separatism believe in a racist ideology, and that makes those that believe in it, racists.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    The point is that being a Seperatist, or any other sort of idiot, does not in itself justify entrapment and murder-under-color-of-law.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You keep on avoiding your own words, your comment that those that believe in white separatism, are not racist. You did not know that white separatism has as a basic idea that miscegenation is a negative. You do not want to acknowledge that white separatism is at its root a racist ideology.

    I know you want to left alone on your faulty point, but the truth remains, those that believe in white separatism believe in a racist ideology, and that makes those that believe in it, racists.
    If you argue that then you have to accept that it means the same thing for Black separatists, or do they get a pass on this one?

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The point is that being a Seperatist, or any other sort of idiot, does not in itself justify entrapment and murder-under-color-of-law.
    If that is directed towards me, you are not following along with my argument since that was not it.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    If you argue that then you have to accept that it means the same thing for Black separatists, or do they get a pass on this one?
    Wow, you do not remember what I posted or the response you gave to that "point". I already covered that.

    Are you EVER going to admit that racial separatism is at base a racist ideology due to the fact it views miscegenation as a negative?

    Please, stop going around in circles and just address this point...
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Wow, you do not remember what I posted or the response you gave to that "point". I already covered that.

    Are you EVER going to admit that racial separatism is at base a racist ideology due to the fact it views miscegenation as a negative?

    Please, stop going around in circles and just address this point...
    It is as if I am, or the Weavers for that matter advocating for anti-miscegenation laws. It is their choice to live separate and who are we to judge that. If you judge it as racist then that is what it is to you. I see it as a different view that is unpopular and contributes to the perception that the Weavers are weird and icky. What is left of the Weaver family does not live in a separatist community, they keep to themselves and have no plans to spread their ideas. If it was happening on a larger scale, yes that would be racism and there would be a problem. n this particular case I do not believe that the idea of racism is appropriate.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    It is as if I am, or the Weavers for that matter advocating for anti-miscegenation laws.
    Nope, you are missing the point
    It is their choice to live separate and who are we to judge that.
    Well, we CAN judge that for what it is. You claimed they, believers in separatism, are not racist. I say that people who do hold to that belief system ARE racist.
    If you judge it as racist then that is what it is to you. I see it as a different view that is unpopular and contributes to the perception that the Weavers are weird and icky.
    Hmm....but you do contradict this later...
    What is left of the Weaver family does not live in a separatist community, they keep to themselves and have no plans to spread their ideas. If it was happening on a larger scale, yes that would be racism and there would be a problem. n this particular case I do not believe that the idea of racism is appropriate.
    You admit that if white separatism is happening as defined on a "larger scale", that it would be racism. You just admitted to it being a racist ideology since its practice would be racism. The remaining problem is the "scale" issue, it does not matter the size, it is a racist ideology. The Weavers believing in it did make them racists.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Nope, you are missing the pointWell, we CAN judge that for what it is. You claimed they, believers in separatism, are not racist. I say that peole how do hold to that belief system ARE racist.Hmm....but you do contradict this later...You admit that if white separatism is happening as defined on a "larger scale", that it would be racism. You just admitted to it being a racist ideology since its practice would be racism. The remaining problem is the "scale" issue, it does not matter the size, it is a racist ideology. The Weavers believing in it did make them racists.

    Does that justify the way Randy Weaver was entrapped, then his son and wife were killed through unlawful and negligent actions of government agents?

    THAT is the point of this part of the debate. Holding weird and unpopular views is not a capital offense.

    For instance, I think the Branch Davidians were weird and wrong. I don't think they deserved the Reno Raid or the gov't Bonfire treatment because of it.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    The law protects the weird and icky, too, if they haven't done anything illegal.

    If it doesn't, what other weird and icky groups should we single out for bring trampled, with little care for actual guilt?
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Does that justify the way Randy Weaver was entrapped, then his son and wife were killed through unlawful and negligent actions of government agents?

    THAT is the point of this part of the debate. Holding weird and unpopular views is not a capital offense.

    For instance, I think the Branch Davidians were weird and wrong. I don't think they deserved the Reno Raid or the gov't Bonfire treatment because of it.
    No, that is NOT the point of the debate between taxigirl and I.

    You ARE NOT following along with our (taxigirl and I), "this part", of the debate.....AT ALL.
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