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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You did: "I asked you what the Weavers lied about."
    Yes, and WHY I asked that is plainly evident from my post.

    It's clear by now you have no intention of approaching this honestly. Like I said:

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    I think there's a difference between "more believable" and what you'd rather believe.
    You are simply picking the latter, in spite of the evidence.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    we?

    speak for yourself, please.
    ok, I am part of the unfortunate group that is separated from the Native Americans. I used to live near Iroquois, Onondaga and Cayuga. Now I live near Hochunk. When I pass by I buy goods on their reservations and I cry because of what our system has done to them. Either we leave them alone and let them self-sustain or we integrate. Not this BS in between.

    How often do you visit a reservation?

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The point she made was that seperatists and Supremacists are different.


    Seperatists are typically non-aggressive as they mostly want to be left alone. Supremacists are more inclined to aggression and violence as they wish to impose a view on others.
    Taxigirl made the statement:
    His family were white separatists, this does not make them racist
    I am showing that separatism IS racism.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are still avoiding the point, the point that you made was that those who are separatists are not racists. This is false and does not hold up to a simple analysis, a simple test.

    If racial separatism is based on the idea that a mixed union produces inferior offspring, how is that not racism...and therefore a "neutral" (not good or bad) thing?
    Who ever said anything about offspring? The idea the Weavers were operating under is that it would reduce conflict.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
    --Randolph J. Dworkin

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    "It has been said that something as small as the flutter of a butterfly's wing can ultimately cause a typhoon halfway around the world"
    -- Chaos Theory

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    ok, I am part of the unfortunate group that is separated from the Native Americans. I used to live near Iroquois, Onondaga and Cayuga. Now I live near Hochunk. When I pass by I buy goods on their reservations and I cry because of what our system has done to them. Either we leave them alone and let them self-sustain or we integrate. Not this BS in between.

    How often do you visit a reservation?

    I am surrounded by folks who have American indigenous blood. They are called Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Peruvians, and Guatemalans.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Who ever said anything about offspring? The idea the Weavers were operating under is that it would reduce conflict.
    See now, you don't know what the ideology of white (or any ) separatism involves, but you are defending the idea.

    AGAIN, the idea behind separatism is that the mixing of the races (namely intermarrying and having children) is a negative, it is wrong and creates "bad" things. There is no other conclusion to be reached other than that the ideology is racist.

    You are still avoiding the overriding concept of separatism, still avoiding its racist premise.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Does anybody even know what we are talking about here? I believe the OP was on the growth of militias. I provided some very nice links and they were ignored. So we started discussing crazy militia people. Randy Weaver came up and that got me excited, because yes, as much as some of you would like to not believe I am an authority when it comes to Ruby Ridge. If you do not want to read the information I generously provided from my list of referenced work, then fine. I suggest that if you do not want to expand your knowledge on what is obviously still a heated to-pic that you find something else to spout about. I appreciate opinions and hearing theories, but when it comes to Ruby Ridge my research and defense of my thesis put me at a great advantage over you and some of your arguments are just downright silly at this point because you have not taken the time to review established facts. You are behaving just like Randy and Vicki Weaver as you just wanted you belief and not allow it to change regardless of the information at hand.

    My whole point here was to provide good solid info. and show you that not all "crazies" with guns are wrong. The government did indeed come after him. He was right! we need to prevent that from happening again.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
    --Randolph J. Dworkin

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    "It has been said that something as small as the flutter of a butterfly's wing can ultimately cause a typhoon halfway around the world"
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    See now, you don't know what the ideology of white (or any ) separatism involves, but you are defending the idea.

    AGAIN, the idea behind separatism is that the mixing of the races (namely intermarrying and having children) is a negative, it is wrong and creates "bad" things. There is no other conclusion to be reached other than that the ideology is racist.

    You are still avoiding the overriding concept of separatism, still avoiding its racist premise.
    I never thought or in any way said it was the right thing to do. I like diversity, so much that I wrote a poem about it. The Weavers believed the avoidancxe of conflict was important. Avoid conflict with government and with people whose culture may be different, They wanted to be left alone.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
    --Randolph J. Dworkin

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    -- Ben Franklin

    "It has been said that something as small as the flutter of a butterfly's wing can ultimately cause a typhoon halfway around the world"
    -- Chaos Theory

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I never thought or in any way said it was the right thing to do. I like diversity, so much that I wrote a poem about it. The Weavers believed the avoidancxe of conflict was important. Avoid conflict with government and with people whose culture may be different, They wanted to be left alone.
    why would living around Jews, Hispanics, and blacks...bring conflict?

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I am surrounded by folks who have American indigenous blood. They are called Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Peruvians, and Guatemalans.
    You know I was referring to Native Americans some people identify as Indians. Or the tribes that were cheated, killed and stolen from by the people who colonized this country,

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
    --Randolph J. Dworkin

    ďReading makes a full man, meditation a profound man, discourse a clear man.Ē
    -- Ben Franklin

    "It has been said that something as small as the flutter of a butterfly's wing can ultimately cause a typhoon halfway around the world"
    -- Chaos Theory

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