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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    by the logic of some folks here, the Black Panthers and FALN, were good ol' American partriotic militia groups. fightin' fer freedom..and stuff.

    Indeed, that's why Bill Ayers is such a hero to the Right.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    How do you think we won independence from England? When they came to take the guns, we went to war with them.
    and here we have the Libertarian version of the American War for Independence.


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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wait, the Revolutionary War was about gun control? You learn something every day....


    You're either being disingenuous or you need to study history a bit more. At least one of the earliest actual battles was fought because the British forces were moving to seize a militia armory and confiscate the weapons and powder stored there.

    The war was not about gun control, but the oppressors' first overt move was an attempt to remove effective military arms from the citizenry.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wait, the Revolutionary War was about gun control? You learn something every day....
    Reading comprehension problems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wait, the Revolutionary War was about gun control? You learn something every day....
    Rise! Rise! Rise my friend from the shackles of ignorance!

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_Alarm

    The removal of gunpowder, though false alarm was thought of as a trigger to the revolutionary war.


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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're either being disingenuous or you need to study history a bit more. At least one of the earliest actual battles was fought because the British forces were moving to seize a militia armory and confiscate the weapons and powder stored there.

    The war was not about gun control, but the oppressors' first overt move was an attempt to remove effective military arms from the citizenry.
    is the Crown seizing our guns, even ONCE mentioned in the many reasons to revolt, that were given in the Declaration of Independence?

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ...The removal of gunpowder, though false alarm was thought of as a trigger to the revolutionary war....
    And yet, not ONE mention of gun rights in the Declaration of Independence:

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    So not worth the time. /facepalm

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wait, the Revolutionary War was about gun control? You learn something every day....
    Here's a brief synopsis for you from historyworld.net:

    Lexington and Concord: AD 1775

    The target of General Gage's supposedly secret foray is a store of weapons held at Concord, twenty miles northwest of Boston. But the secret leaks out. When a force of 700 redcoats moves from the city, a horseman gallops from Boston to warn the local Patriots of their approach.

    Popular tradition has long identified the horseman as the distinguished Huguenot silversmith Paul Revere. The tradition may well be correct. Revere, one of the 'Indians' taking part in the Tea Party of 1773, often rides with urgent messages from Boston's Committee of Public Safety.










    On April 19 the redcoats reach Lexington, on the road to Concord. They find some seventy-five minutemen (the local name for volunteers ready to mobilize at a moment's notice) waiting to oppose their passage. It is not known who fires the first shot - later immortalized by Ralph Waldo Emerson as 'the shot heard round the world'. But after a brief engagement eight minutemen are dead and ten wounded.

    The British contingent marches on to Concord, only to find that all the weapons have been removed. Meanwhile the Massachusetts militia has assembled in force. The redcoats suffer heavily from snipers on the journey back to Boston. The American Revolution, also known as the War of American Independence, has begun.


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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and here we have the Libertarian version of the American War for Independence.

    Hey man- my own views are those of the founding fathers. That puts me in pretty damn good company.
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