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Explosive Growth of Militias

muciti said:
I agree that we "should" not. However given the amount of corruption in our government how can you not?
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That has been my point to Thunder. We should not have anything to fear from our government but we do. That justifies some of what people refer to as "paranoia". Sure, some of the militia folks are nutty, but I would certainly not assume they are a direct danger to me as they have not given me reason to fear them. On the other hand, the government has given me reason to fear them.
 
taxigirl said:
That has been my point to Thunder. We should not have anything to fear from our government but we do. That justifies some of what people refer to as "paranoia". Sure, some of the militia folks are nutty, but I would certainly not assume they are a direct danger to me as they have not given me reason to fear them. On the other hand, the government has given me reason to fear them.
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Do you really fear the government? You hear the black helicopters coming?
 
Since we are on the topic, what ever happened to the guy who took a sniper rifle and shot the white house?
 
AdamT said:
Do you really fear the government? You hear the black helicopters coming?
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You must really like making me re-post this stuff.... ;)

As I have stated in several threads on guns, militias etc...

Everyone thought Randy Weaver was paranoid, but they came for him.

Frank Clearwater and Buddy Lamont

Fred Hampton and Mark Clark

Kent State

Molly Maguires

Whiskey Rebellion

MOVE

Are these enough examples? The people affected in these incidents were considered "radical" or "unruly" -- like the students who were recently sprayed at (what was it... UC Davis?). They were sitting down, not moving! In addition to the obvious cases listed above there are abuses of authority that happen everyday in this country. They may not be outrageous, but people's rights are still infringed. For "radicals" that infringement is often tolerated because they are deemed "troublemakers" by the general public.

By some standards I am radical. By most standards I am a troublemaker because I try to speak up when I see injustice (now I am making myself sound like a superhero, but you know what I mean).

Because I make waves and because I do not sit idly by I am a target. Not a lot of people will say "stop" much less intervene when they see an authority figure --- we'll say local police --- threatening or hitting a person who is lying on the ground. Or confronting and antagonizing a group of young men because they are standing on a corner.

Because I am willing to do that and even go farther I am a target as well, no I do not hear the black helicopters coming, but I sure as hell know that if "You step out of line, the man come and take you away". Thank you Stephen Stills.
 
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MKULTRABOY said:
Thoughts on this? I hope they get whacked by artillery.
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About god damned time. Hopefully people will start to understand their duty and obligation to the Militia. Now if just New Jersey would have a good militia going for it. Man I miss Colorado.
 
taxigirl said:
You say "a lot more". That implies we have "some" to fear from our government.

We should not fear our government at all.
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Ask the people of Myanmar.
 
AdamT said:
Was that the Reagan library association? :lol:
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Take Clinton and Gore's gun records before they were elected and then the gun laws they passed when they had the house and the senate

compare that to Biden and Obumble's records before they were elected
 
Prof. Peabody said:
Ask the people of Myanmar.
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I am unclear if you are making the point that people in Burma have it worse, or that yes, people have reason to fear their governments.

I do not recognize "Myanmar" to be the legitimate name of BURMA because the ruling military government did not have authority to rename the country.

I often speak of the massacre of 8-8-88 as an exemplary example of the human ability to stand up and fight oppression. It offends me greatly that the world knows more about the incident at Tiananmen Square, hopefully, now that social media has taken hold, it will help prevent another tragedy in the scale of 8-8-88. The "government" in Burma is subject to more exposure now.

Aung San Suu Kyi (pretty much my hero) and her father should be more known throughout the world as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and are.

"It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power" and that is one of my arguments against government, especially in a society like ours where greed, lust and envy are so prevalent.... but that is another thread (see http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/94893-why-socialism-and-communism-hated.html).
 
taxigirl said:
I am unclear if you are making the point that people in Burma have it worse, or that yes, people have reason to fear their governments.

I do not recognize "Myanmar" to be the legitimate name of BURMA because the ruling military government did not have authority to rename the country.

I often speak of the massacre of 8-8-88 as an exemplary example of the human ability to stand up and fight oppression. It offends me greatly that the world knows more about the incident at Tiananmen Square, hopefully, now that social media has taken hold, it will help prevent another tragedy in the scale of 8-8-88. The "government" in Burma is subject to more exposure now.

Aung San Suu Kyi (pretty much my hero) and her father should be more known throughout the world as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and are.

"It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power" and that is one of my arguments against government, especially in a society like ours where greed, lust and envy are so prevalent.... but that is another thread (see http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/94893-why-socialism-and-communism-hated.html).
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All government's should be observed with healthy caution, if not fear. Any government can grow out of control and trample the rights of it's citizens.
 
Ikari said:
About god damned time. Hopefully people will start to understand their duty and obligation to the Militia. Now if just New Jersey would have a good militia going for it. Man I miss Colorado.
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guido power!!!!!!!

Sent from my YP-G1 using Tapatalk. My YP-G1 is a very nice device that hardly ever explodes or shoots jets of burning acid at my face. Samsung has done a good job in that respect in building it. However one has to consider hamsters in regard to android as cyborg hamsters are very cool. Imagine how fast an Android hamster could run in their exercise wheel for example.
 
taxigirl said:
That has been my point to Thunder. We should not have anything to fear from our government but we do. That justifies some of what people refer to as "paranoia". Sure, some of the militia folks are nutty, but I would certainly not assume they are a direct danger to me as they have not given me reason to fear them. On the other hand, the government has given me reason to fear them.
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again, there is nothing to fear about our government.

some folks seem to want to find reasons to fear them. its kinda sad and a bit weird.
 
Just one more reason for (local) government-guided militias as far as I'm concerned. If you don't give people an outlet they'll find one for themselves, often to the detriment of society.

Thunder said:
I don't know about you, but I see nothing to fear in America's government.
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The rest of the sentence explains it:
Any government can grow out of control and trample the rights of it's citizens.
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I'm not fearful at present, though I am deeply concerned about some things that have happened over the past decade, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant.



hazlnut said:
I have read things about the ACLU that disturb me. IMO, they're overzealously going after religious symbols, God in pledge, etc. But I haven't read anything negative about SPLC. They gather data on some pretty bad folks and write reports. They are invited by police departments to speak and share data. Why do you have a problem with that?
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Just a side comment here. The ACLU has brought many lawsuits against public institutions (schools mostly) who specifically ban the wearing of religious symbols as opposed to banning jewelry in general. Yes, assuming a public institution has no ban on jewelry, the ACLU will protect your right to wear a Cross, Star of David, etc. or display it on personal property like clothes, purses, and notebooks.
 
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TurtleDude said:
They are panderers of the worst sort. They want to keep their supporters fearful of "racist" or "anti semitic" movements in order to get the rich, often Jewish benefactors, to continue to give them money....
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excuse me??????

why the **** would you make such a claim?

why the hell are you bringing folks' religion into this discussion????
 
taxigirl said:
You must really like making me re-post this stuff.... ;)

As I have stated in several threads on guns, militias etc...

Everyone thought Randy Weaver was paranoid, but they came for him.

Frank Clearwater and Buddy Lamont

Fred Hampton and Mark Clark

Kent State

Molly Maguires

Whiskey Rebellion

MOVE

Are these enough examples?
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No, I think you would need a LOT more examples to make a convincing case that regular folks should fear the government. Every large institution will overstep from time to time, or make mistakes, but I'd say the odds are greater that you will be hit by lightening ... twice ... than they are that the black helicopters will come for you. Do people get hit by lightning twice? Yes, it happens. Is it rational to spend a lot of time worrying about it? Not so much.
 
AdamT said:
No, I think you would need a LOT more examples to make a convincing case that regular folks should fear the government. Every large institution will overstep from time to time, or make mistakes, but I'd say the odds are greater that you will be hit by lightening ... twice ... than they are that the black helicopters will come for you. Do people get hit by lightning twice? Yes, it happens. Is it rational to spend a lot of time worrying about it? Not so much.
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Who said I spend a lot of time worrying about it? I am saying that I have more concern about the government because they have given me reason to fear while the militias have not. I was amazed that some people in this thread could not imagine that the government has done anything untoward. I said that I did not hear the black helicopters coming. My point is that if I protest, if I speak up, etc.. etc... I am a target just as the people listed and countless other who have had their rights trampled. Our rights exist in the US to protect us from the government (apparently with good reason), not from the nutbag down the street with a gun and an opinion.
 
Thunder said:
I don't know about you, but I see nothing to fear in America's government.
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Thunder said:
again, there is nothing to fear about our government.

some folks seem to want to find reasons to fear them. its kinda sad and a bit weird.
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You are a member of one of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and overbearing local government's in America; and one of the best examples of why Americans ought to be very suspicious of government in general. Perhaps you find nothing to fear, because you think that as a member of that government, you have it on your side. Most likely, you are very foolish for so thinking; but in any event, your view from inside this corrupt government is not representative of the view of the vast majority of Americans, outside of it.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You are a member of one of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and overbearing local government's in America; and one of the best examples of why Americans ought to be very suspicious of government in general. Perhaps you find nothing to fear, because you think that as a member of that government, you have it on your side.....
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what I do for a living, is none of your ****ing business!!

what is your problem???????? are these obsessive & unprovoked attacks ever going end???
 
Thunder said:
what I do for a living, is none of your ****ing business!!
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It's directly relevant to your claim that Americans have nothing to fear from Government. Of course you're going to claim that. You're part of one of the most corrupt governments in the nation, which those under its rule ought to fear the most; and you're a loyal defender of the corruption and tyranny in which you wallow. I think you'll have to excuse the rest of us for not finding much reassurance in your claim that those of us outside of this corruption have nothing to fear from it.
 
Thunder said:
what I do for a living, is none of your ****ing business!!

what is your problem???????? are these obsessive & unprovoked attacks ever going end???
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I will also point out that you've had no problem with mentioning your government position when you think that doing so supports a point you wish to make. But when it goes against your claim, then suddenly, it's “none of your ****ing business!!”, and mentioning it constitutes “obsessive & unprovoked attacks”.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
It's directly relevant to your claim that Americans have nothing to fear from Government...

...You're part of one of the most corrupt governments in the nation....
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no, its simply part of a very long string of obsessive & unprovoked attacks that you have been tossing at me since you first came to this forum, and its a very sad & strange continuation of totally identical obsessive & unprovoked attacks from another forum. what I do for a living, is none of your God-damned business, and is totally irrelevent to this thread.

so again I ask, what is your problem?????
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I will also point out that you've had no problem with mentioning your government position when you think that doing so supports a point you wish to make. But when it goes against your claim, then suddenly, it's “none of your ****ing business!!”, and mentioning it constitutes “obsessive & unprovoked attacks”.
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again, you have been attacking me due to my job, and attacking me obsessively & totally unprovoked, since you first came to this forum...and even before.

what is your deal???????
 
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Ok. Because I am honest and believe in transparency I am providing you all with evidence that you can use to destroy some of my assertions in this thread. So have a good read and let me have it
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I have however, bolded some items from the article in my defense.

FBI agent: Midwest militia group had 'kill' list - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

Seven members of the Hutaree, including Stone and his wife, face federal charges of sedition, the attempted use of weapons of mass destruction and firearms offenses.

Defense attorneys have argued the group was merely engaging in angry expressions of free speech and did not intend to commit acts of terrorism. No attacks were carried out.

Also facing trial are David Brian Stone Sr.'s sons, David Brian Stone Jr. and Joshua Matthew Stone; Michael David Meeks, Thomas William Piatek and Kristopher Sickles.

Prosecutors played a recording for jurors of a conversation at Stone's wedding in which Joshua John Clough, a Hutaree member who pleaded guilty in December to weapons charges, told Meeks it was "a whole complete kill list."
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Thunder said:
what I do for a living, is none of your God-damned business, and is totally irrelevent to this thread.
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What you do for a living is to work for one of the most corrupt, tyrannical, and overbearing governments in the nation. You wallow in the filth, the crime, and the corruption that is New York City. You defend this filth on this forum.

Your statement that we have nothing to fear from government is like a wolf assuring a sheep that there is no need to fear ravenous predators. We know what side you are on.

You let this genie out of the bottle. You can't put it back now that it doesn't suit your purposes.
 
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