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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    From what I can tell, Rev wanted evidence for this "explosion" leading up to the election, inspired by Obama -- as in, increases in the past couple of years.

    Just about everything on your list has existed for quite a bit longer than that, for decades in many cases. They had nothing to do with Obama or the upcoming election, and they do not represent an "explosion" or even an "uptick" in activity.
    Before every election their is an increase in extremist groups, it works both ways if anyone had bothered to read my post while back this was all explained.
    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    It is not just the SPLC

    Anti-government hate militias on the rise - CNN
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...aoAs1COOOQxUJw
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    There are plenty of "lists" just google it.
    There are also "left-wing" groups that are being watched by the FBI (as well as right-wing). There are various kinds of domestic terrorism (eco, animal rights, civil rights etc..)

    When dems are in the white house we see a rise in right wing groups and the opposite is true for when the GOP is in the white house. There have been plenty of left wing groups in history that have made news. SDS, weather Underground, Black Panthers, MOVE, SLA etc...

    There are extremists on both sides of the spectrum. There is also activity that goes on that we do not hear about because the general public has lost interest and unless there is bloodshed, we do not hear about it. The FBI and ATF have gotten pretty good at tracking and putting a stop to things before they happen (which is kind of scary).
    Doctoral students have done their theses on the this topic, there are professionals who have written books and done studies about this trend. It is because there is such a large rift in ideology. If you look throughout the history in the US and other countries there is a tendency to silence those who speak out. As our country grows and more and more restrictions are placed on our behavior and civil rights, more and more of this will happen because those rights are spelled out for us in the Constitution, which people tout as the law of the land. The truth is that the law is the restrictions that are placed on us. These groups see the restrictions as an erosion of our rights and a corruption of what the country is supposed to stand for; freedom, the flag, patriotism, the ideals set forth in the Constitution. The government has silenced people before and they will do it again, which is why we should appreciate these groups for standing up instead of criticizing them and saying they are paranoid, they have justification for their feelings.

    Quite frankly, I agree with them

    Google around a bit and you might be surprised. Some groups try to stay under the radar and do not have web sites, but they most certainly exist.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Good Lord, is there anything liberals aren't scared to death of?
    the OKC bombing made me fearful of militias and their wacky ideas.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You are way more generous than me. They constitute a direct threat to the United States of America. I want them eliminated.

    Will you be doing the "eliminating" yourself chief, or will you be sending someone elses son to do your dirty work?
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Oh well that settle it, if the ADL says so!. /facepalm
    yes, the ADL has done a lot of research on hate groups and militia groups. They often intersect in their ideology.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Will you be doing the "eliminating" yourself chief, or will you be sending someone elses son to do your dirty work?
    it won't take much to arrest a few hundred boys & their toys.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I see a pretty clear motivation here.

    So, which ones DON'T do what you're "concerned about," and how prevalent are they among the movement? No mind-reading -- just spell it out.
    Like I've conducted investigations of them all? I think that there's probably a broad spectrum that they fall into, from perfectly innocent boys' clubs to seriously paranoid and dangerous. But I think that the common threads that bind them: a belief that they are entitled to take vigilante action if they think the government's interpretation of the Constitution diverges too far from their own, coupled with paramilitary organization and firearms, militates in favor of keeping them under observation. The degree of observation would obviously be a case-by-case determination. I'm sure that a relatively quick study would allow authorities to check a lot of them off their list.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the OKC bombing made me fearful of militias and their wacky ideas.
    That's apparently because you think it had anything to do with the militias. That slander was cleared up almost two decades ago; where have YOU been?
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    everyone PLEASE read post 161.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didn’t have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, I’m allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and I’ve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I don’t, before you know it, you won’t let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    A mistake? You are far kinder than I am sir. It was a blatant misrepresentation.
    That implies intent, which I think is unlikely. The press makes mistakes all the time, mostly because they just suck.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Like I've conducted investigations of them all? I think that there's probably a broad spectrum that they fall into, from perfectly innocent boys' clubs to seriously paranoid and dangerous. But I think that the common threads that bind them: a belief that they are entitled to take vigilante action if they think the government's interpretation of the Constitution diverges too far from their own, coupled with paramilitary organization and firearms, militates in favor of keeping them under observation. The degree of observation would obviously be a case-by-case determination. I'm sure that a relatively quick study would allow authorities to check a lot of them off their list.
    Nice dodge. At best, it shows you're spouting off without really knowing anything about them.

    But by using "common threads," you still show that you suspect ALL of them.
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