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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I coughed, too, because if you're trying to disprove your own claim, you're doing a bang-up job. No, really.
    Huh, how would you say that one militia claiming that another militia is committing treason argues against my claim that militias may be suspect?

    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    At least since jeffersonian times....
    I think that it was in the early 1770's or thereabouts. In Boston. Something about too damn much taxation.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually, the Texas Militia website does make reference to "Obama's Hitler Youth Corps". But if you just search for "Obama" you might miss some stuff, like "socialist Obamination regime in Washington" which is apparently more anti-gun than "the Clintonistas" (despite the complete absence of any actual or proposed anti-gun regulations).
    Funny how you yourself seemed to have missed quite a bit at that link:

    Militias are not in favor of having another revolution in America. We are for restoring a literal interpretation of the United States Constitution as the founding fathers intended with a strong emphasis on the bill of rights, states rights, and a limited federal government. Militias are not illegal. Militias are not anti-government. Militias are authorized by the US Constitution.
    Militias are for enforcing the US Constitution and recognizing it as the supreme law of the land superior to any international treaties and superior to any Untied Nations rulings. Militias are the last line of defense against tyranny and invasion. The Second Amendment is not about the right to keep firearms to go hunting. The Second Amendment is about the right of the people to keep and bear firearms to prevent a tyrannical government from infringing upon our God given rights and to ensure our ability to defend the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
    I can see how you missed it, though; it was only among the very first words on the site.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Huh, how would you say that one militia claiming that another militia is committing treason argues against my claim that militias may be suspect?

    Uh, no, actually, it was two militias communicating with each other about a nutjob they wanted no part of.

    If you're right, you shouldn't have to lie about it.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Funny how you yourself seemed to have missed quite a bit at that link:

    I can see how you missed it, though; it was only among the very first words on the site.
    No, I didn't miss it at all. There's a lot of contradictory **** on their website. Were you actually expecting them to make explicit threats on a public web page? Basically what it all boils down to is that they're not going to "start anything" ... but if the government does something they disagree with ... well ... that's the GUBMINT startin' somethin'!!
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Uh, no, actually, it was two militias communicating with each other about a nutjob they wanted no part of.

    If you're right, you shouldn't have to lie about it.
    Actually it's two militias communicating about another militia which they think has crossed the line into TREASON and which they believe is very dangerous.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, I didn't miss it at all. There's a lot of contradictory **** on their website. Were you actually expecting them to make explicit threats on a public web page? Basically what it all boils down to is that they're not going to "start anything" ... but if the government does something they disagree with ... well ... that's the GUBMINT startin' somethin'!!
    I think you need considerably more than that to "suspect" them of "terrorism," especially in any legal sense.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually it's two militias communicating about another militia which they think has crossed the line into TREASON and which they believe is very dangerous.
    No, it wasn't "another militia," it was a nutjob who's seen too many Kevin Costner movies.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I think you need considerably more than that to "suspect" them of "terrorism," especially in any legal sense.
    I don't think there is any legal requirement that prevents me or anyone else from being suspicious of them. Their own materials, which I'm sure they consider quite guarded, are more than sufficient to raise my suspicions and I would be very surprised if they aren't being monitored by the FBI.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Instead of focusing on the (mostly freakish) militias that were cited to me as being legitimate, perhaps I should try a wider search....

    The FBI conducted weekend raids in three states and arrested eight people tied to a Michigan-based militia group that authorities say was conspiring to kill police officers.

    Nine suspects tied to a militia in the Midwest are charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral in the hopes of killing more law enforcement people, federal prosecutors said Monday.

    U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said agents moved on the group because the Hutaree members were planning a violent reconnaissance mission sometime in April — just a few days away.

    Members of the group called Hutaree are charged in the case, including their leader, David Brian Stone, also known as “Captain Hutaree.”

    Once other officers gathered for a slain officer’s funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing more, according to newly unsealed court papers.

    The indictment includes charges of seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction — homemade bombs.

    Michigan Militia Members Arrested in Police Killing Plot | Truth is Treason
    DETROIT — Joshua Clough is the first of the Lenawee County-based militia group Hutaree convicted in an alleged plot to overthrow the government.

    Clough, formerly of the Blissfield area, entered into a plea agreement Monday with federal prosecutors in U.S. District Court, pleading guilty to using and carrying a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence.

    The plea deal calls for Clough, 29, to serve up to five years in prison. He is scheduled to be sentenced April 16 by Judge Victoria Roberts.

    Clough and eight others were the targets of federal raids in March, 2010, into the Hutaree, an antigovernment militia organization that advocated, and prepared for, violent attacks on law enforcement.

    Seven other defendants in the case are scheduled for trial Feb. 7 on other charges, including sedition and using weapons of mass destruction.

    The ninth defendant, Jacob Ward, has been declared incompetent to stand trial.

    Michigan Militia Members Arrested in Police Killing Plot | Truth is Treason
    ATLANTA (AP) – A suspected member of a fringe north Georgia militia group intended to use the plot of an online novel as a model for plans to attack U.S. federal law officers and others, authorities said.

    4 suspected militia members charged in plot
    BIRMINGHAM (AP) — A reputed leader of an alleged anti-government militia has been arrested and charged with possessing an unregistered machine gun at his home in Birmingham. The arrest of William J. Hudson on Thursday came several days after five men pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in Birmingham.

    Alabama militia leader arrested
    North American Militia members convicted for plotting terrorism


    [January 29, 1999]

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Lloyd Meyer called the verdict "tremendous" even though jurors rejected three counts of a nine-count indictment against North American Militia member Randy Graham. "An armed and dangerous man is no longer walking the streets," Meyer said, according to the Associated Press.

    Graham, 42, was convicted of plotting to blow up federal property and threatening to attack and murder government officials. He faces up to 30 years in prison when he is sentenced on May 5, 1999. In addition to these charges, Graham was found guilty of growing marijuana to finance the conspiracy. The federal jury acquitted Graham on charges of possessing illegal machine guns seized from another militia member's home.

    North American Militia members convicted of plotting terrorism | Factnet NewsSite and Discussion Forum
    Nah, nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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