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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The problem is, they max out their credit cards buying up guns, then they have to sell off a few to pay the rent. That's how guns cross from grey to black market--unregulated "private" sales.


    "I know a guy who will take those extra guns offa you, Hoss." (and sell them to drug dealers or home invaders or some crazy f-er who just wants to shoot up the place...)
    Honestly, a few hundred more guns on the streets at this point doesn't matter. I wish I didn't happen, but you are probably addressing .0001% of the issue through militias. Money can be better spent so it is not sufficient justification in my eyes. There is simply no ROI there.

    Now if one of these groups actually did damage to people, property, or whatever, then shut them down with whatever force is deemed appropriate.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They're pretty well known for employing the use of fear tactics. Last time I check on their site, if it's the same one I'm thinking of, they had the rebel flag listed in the hate symbol pics.
    That's the one. Good luck in finding an unbiased source of their information.

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    From what I've seen, their websites.
    Yeah. Give us a comprehensive rundown, with links.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What, specifically, makes them "suspected terrorists"?
    There are thousands of words of this ****, but here are the last few paragraphs on one of the websites that was cited to me to demonstrate that these are just "legitimate civilian militias".

    And make no mistake, it is civil war which may be the most horrible corollary of the Law of Unintended Consequences as it applies to the Clintonistas and their destruction of the rule of law. Because such people have no cause for which they are willing to die (all morality being relativistic to them, and all principles compromisable), they cannot fathom the motives or behavior of people who believe that there are some principles worth fighting and dying for. Out of such failures of understanding come wars. Particularly because although such elitists would not risk their own necks in a fight, they have no compunction about ordering others in their pay to fight for them. It is not the deaths of others, but their own deaths, that they fear. As a Christian, I cannot fear my own death, but rather I am commanded by my God to live in such a way as to make my death a homecoming. That this makes me incomprehensible and threatening to those who wish to be my masters is something I can do little about. I would suggest to them that they not poke their godless, tyrannical noses down my alley. As the coiled rattlesnake flag of the Revolution bluntly stated: "Don't Tread on Me!" Or, as our state motto here in Alabama says: "We Dare Defend Our Rights."

    But can a handgun defeat an army? Yes. It remains to be seen whether the struggle of our generation against the tyrants of our day in the first decade of the 21st Century will bring a restoration of liberty and the rule of law or a dark and bloody descent into chaos and slavery.

    If it is to be the former, I will meet you at the new Yorktown. If it is to be the latter, I will meet you at Masada. But I will not be a slave. And I know that whether we succeed or fail, if we should fall along the way our graves will one day be visited by other free Americans, thanking us that we did not forget that, with the help of Almighty God, in the hands of a free man a handgun CAN defeat a tyrant's army..


    http://texasmilitia.info/
    That's just from the first link that was cited to show how legitimate these folks are. You can do the rest of the research on your own time.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There are thousands of words of this ****, but here are the last few paragraphs on one of the websites that was cited to me to demonstrate that these are just "legitimate civilian militias".

    That's just from the first link that was cited to show how legitimate these folks are. You can do the rest of the research on your own time.
    That doesn't say anything which isn't reflected in the Declaration of Independence.

    Thin gruel. But even if it weren't, that's only one.

    And no, it's YOUR research to do, because YOU made the claim. Aren't you a graduate of law school? Don't know you know that the prosecution has to make the case? This is a simple logical principle.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That doesn't say anything which isn't reflected in the Declaration of Independence.

    Thin gruel. But even if it weren't, that's only one.

    And no, it's YOUR research to do, because YOU made the claim. Aren't you a graduate of law school? Don't know you know that the prosecution has to make the case? This is a simple logical principle.
    The Declaration of Independence is about as relevant to the imagined actions of President Obama as are the inscriptions on the Tomb of Hammurabi.

    As to who made what claim, you made four or five posts defending the militias before I even set foot in the thread.

    Making threats against government officials is a serious felony.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The Declaration of Independence is about as relevant to the imagined actions of President Obama as are the inscriptions on the Tomb of Hammurabi.
    Yeah, and the TX militia didn't mention President Obama.


    As to who made what claim, you made four or five posts defending the militias before I even set foot in the thread.
    You claimed they were "suspected terrorists." It's up to you to show why.


    Making threats against government officials is a serious felony.
    Where's the "threat"? It's about as much of a threat as the motto of the state of New Hampshire, 'coz it says the same thing.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Alright, let's go to the SECOND link that was provided to me to establish that citizen militias are legitimate. Here are the first few paragraphs on their website:

    Congress lady Gabrielle Gifford was shot and hit in the head by a shooter or shooters along with a federal Judge who was killed We of the 31st Field Forces Alpha Unit Medical condemned this action in the strongest
    terms available No legitimate operating Militia had anything to do with This

    We may not agree or like certain things we may wind up seeing some kind of internal conflict but we do not start things nor do we shoot at or kill unarmed people ,we are not in the habit of hurting people like this. Our hearts go out to the families of the dead and injured.

    Recently a national commanders conference was held with a guy by the name of TIM TURNER who claims to be the president of the restored united states of America he has selected already his cabinet and governor for each state with out a vote from the American people the commanders confrence which took place in Kentuckey left a lot of Militia officers Pissed off at this guy for good measure Mr Turner is planning a preemptive strike to replace our current system of government which would be unconstitutional for him to do so .Calling himself president and the measures he has taken is nothing Short Of TREASON
    No legitimate Militia will support such a disaster undertaking we Are defensive in nature we dont start wars or civil conflict .

    ...

    I spoke with General Norm Olsen, founder of Michigan Militia, tonight over the telephone. He called me on the Tim Turner situation and agrees with me: this guy is: 1) up to no good, 2) very dangerous and needs to be stopped before something bad happens . Apparently, some of his guys had contact with Mr. Turner and had a lot of questions about him .

    The General, now Commander of Alaska Militia, has asked me to remind everyone a few things. He told me I could give you guys the gist of our conversation using his name
    in these simple truths.

    1 "We are defensive in nature; we are reactive, not proactive in our Militia operations."
    "We act when we are attacked, not before."

    2. "Don't let this guy get you or your units into a disastrous political coup attempt."

    3."They tried things with Waco, Ruby Ridge, OKC and 911; now they may be trying to push a political coup."
    *cough*
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Alright, let's go to the SECOND link that was provided to me to establish that citizen militias are legitimate. Here are the first few paragraphs on their website:



    *cough*
    I coughed, too, because if you're trying to disprove your own claim, you're doing a bang-up job. No, really.
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    Re: Explosive Growth of Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, and the TX militia didn't mention President Obama.

    You claimed they were "suspected terrorists." It's up to you to show why.

    Where's the "threat"? It's about as much of a threat as the motto of the state of New Hampshire, 'coz it says the same thing.
    Actually, the Texas Militia website does make reference to "Obama's Hitler Youth Corps". But if you just search for "Obama" you might miss some stuff, like "socialist Obamination regime in Washington" which is apparently more anti-gun than "the Clintonistas" (despite the complete absence of any actual or proposed anti-gun regulations).
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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