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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    But, if you and Catawba are claiming that the future of energy is not oil, then it would follow that there is no need to conserve the reserves for the future.
    You have no idea of all the critical uses for oil that don't involve burning it for fuel, do you?

    In the meantime, you do realize that the debt being left for those future generations is currently over $50K each and climbing.
    Most of our debt is from unpaid for wars. Perhaps we need to decrease the number of decade long optional wars, and stop spending as much on the military as the rest of the world combined!

    At present, no alternate energy is economically viable and therefore must be subsidized. Leaving still more debt for those future generations you care so much about.
    I would rather subsidize the development of clean energy than subsidizing in blood and dollars our oil use from the middle east.

    For me, a sound energy policy would embrace both the needs of the now and future. So, I guess my position would be oil and nuclear for the now, and sensible research for the future. Not raise the price of fossil and nuclear by limiting supply in order to increase the price to make alternate more competitive.
    The US government does not control world oil prices, and no one is limiting supply, that's what you seem to have trouble getting through your head.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    If they cant afford gas, they can get on a bus. Or walk. Or ride a bike. I dont care. Saying people are living paycheck to paycheck is no reason to destroy the Earth. There is no direct line there.
    Wow...This is a telling statement.

    I am not sure the point of this part of your statement. But every gas station I have ever been to has had 3 different choices for gas at different prices.
    Oh, so you think that is class pricing?

    So you dont think the technology is worth investing in? Green energy is never going to be sustainable or proven unless you invest in it.
    If it is worth it then it will be invested in by private investors...I don't need to be forced by government to invest in anything....BTW, show me where this is in the constitution that government can force me to invest in a Presidents pipe dream?

    Be clear. What is killing jobs?
    Current administration policies.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    If it is worth it then it will be invested in by private investors...I don't need to be forced by government to invest in anything....BTW, show me where this is in the constitution that government can force me to invest in a Presidents pipe dream?
    Tough titty said the kitty, I didn't want to invest in the Iraq war on behalf of big oil either.



    Current administration policies.
    What specific administration policies? Do your talking points include definitions?
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Tough titty said the kitty, I didn't want to invest in the Iraq war on behalf of big oil either.
    Difference is that the military is in the constitution, forcing me to waste billions of tax dollars in failed green energy plants where the greedy bundlers for Obama get their payback on is not.

    What specific administration policies? Do your talking points include definitions?
    I would once again take the time to address your question had you not dismissed it out of hand before I even went to the trouble.....pound sand.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Difference is that the military is in the constitution, forcing me to waste billions of tax dollars in failed green energy plants where the greedy bundlers for Obama get their payback on is not.
    You are wrong, only defense is specified in the Constitution, and Iraq was not a military threat to the US.



    I would once again take the time to address your question had you not dismissed it out of hand before I even went to the trouble.....pound sand.

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    I see, you still cannot provide us with single policy of Obama's that is killing jobs, and actually explain why it is killing jobs. No surprise. I didn't think you could.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are wrong, only defense is specified in the Constitution, and Iraq was not a military threat to the US.

    Thread derailment.

    I see, you still cannot provide us with single policy of Obama's that is killing jobs, and actually explain why it is killing jobs. No surprise. I didn't think you could.




    I guess a victory in your own mind is still a victory eh....



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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    If they cant afford gas, they can get on a bus. Or walk. Or ride a bike. I dont care. Saying people are living paycheck to paycheck is no reason to destroy the Earth. There is no direct line there.
    Wow...This is a telling statement.
    Yea it sure is. How the poor or people living paycheck to paycheck is not the issue here. The issue is the environment and the future. What good is gas going to do for the poor or anyone else when there is no earth?

    I am not sure the point of this part of your statement. But every gas station I have ever been to has had 3 different choices for gas at different prices.
    Oh, so you think that is class pricing?
    I am responding to your random statement there buddy.

    So you dont think the technology is worth investing in? Green energy is never going to be sustainable or proven unless you invest in it.
    If it is worth it then it will be invested in by private investors...I don't need to be forced by government to invest in anything....BTW, show me where this is in the constitution that government can force me to invest in a Presidents pipe dream?
    That is certainly up for debate. Part of protecting our country is ensuring its existence. But lets go with your idea here for a moment or so. Are you of the belief that the government should never invest in anything unless everyone agrees with it?


    Be clear. What is killing jobs?
    Current administration policies.
    Going to try this part again......BE CLEAR What is killing jobs?

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Yea it sure is. How the poor or people living paycheck to paycheck is not the issue here. The issue is the environment and the future. What good is gas going to do for the poor or anyone else when there is no earth?

    So those trying to better themselves, and their situation are of no concern when it comes to the green agenda, contrary to what liberals are constantly telling the lower middle, and poor. Here is the summary of what I think is about right when you say there will be no earth....



    I am responding to your random statement there buddy.
    Ok friend.

    That is certainly up for debate. Part of protecting our country is ensuring its existence.
    Did I miss something? Is there some proof that if Obama doesn't give billions to green ventures that the world will end in our lifetime?

    But lets go with your idea here for a moment or so. Are you of the belief that the government should never invest in anything unless everyone agrees with it?
    I believe that Government should stick to governing via the Constitution and enumerated powers granted it, and leave venture deals to the market.

    Going to try this part again......BE CLEAR What is killing jobs?
    I don't want to derail, so I'll give you one example that we all know of right now.....Keystone.


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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

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    What good is gas going to do for the poor or anyone else when there is no earth?
    Is earth going somewhere?

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Go on all you want, you still haven't proven your claim of 100x demand of cheap oil. Recoverable oil, does not mean affordable oil, which is why prices have continued go up over the last two decades, and why the US military warned that we could see shortages of cheap oil as soon as 2015, with serious economic consequences!
    You dont givt a **** what I think.

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