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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Well, let's at least wait until we have a vehicle that the average consumer will buy, eh? Otherwise, that billion will be wasted.
    I think we wouldn't have computers -- let alone the internet -- if we had adopted that approach in the past.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think we wouldn't have computers -- let alone the internet -- if we had adopted that approach in the past.
    Damn that would have been nice. I really liked being a kid with real toys and social interaction.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What's the difference between a tax cut and a tax credit? I thought Conservatives liked those?
    If they are equal. If they are targeted to a specific goal, then it messes with the market. So, an across the board tax cut or credit is good. A tax credit for one specific industry is bad.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    seeing how we have trillions in debt there shouldn't be any tax credits regardless of the company.
    Tax cuts are fine, as they help the economy. If done right, and you change nothing else, they would help decrease debt in the long term. But I agree with what you mean, that the first problem to deal with is reducing the deficit and then the debt.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Tax cuts are fine, as they help the economy. If done right, and you change nothing else, they would help decrease debt in the long term. But I agree with what you mean, that the first problem to deal with is reducing the deficit and then the debt.
    I agree.

    We need to stop digging before we start trying to fill in the hole.

    The problem with all the stuff Obama comes up with is that he wants to dig faster...while tossing a few dirt clods back into the hole.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I agree.

    We need to stop digging before we start trying to fill in the hole.

    The problem with all the stuff Obama comes up with is that he wants to dig faster...while tossing a few dirt clods back into the hole.
    Yep, I say freeze everything for starters, and then reduce spending till it matches revenue. Then set aside x amount for paying down debt, and only then start monkeying around with the balance. But that sounds too much like what normal people do.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Now is not the time to be putting out that kind of money. We don't have the vehicles to utilize this infrastructure. We should wait till they arrive and are affordable to the masses, which won't be for a long time.

    In the meantime, Obama should be concentrating on the effects of high gas prices on our citizens right now. I don't think he will, though.
    There are EV's already priced less than the average new car cost in the US. The US uses 25 % of the planet's cheap oil. The only way to lower world oil prices is to decrease demand.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think we wouldn't have computers -- let alone the internet -- if we had adopted that approach in the past.

    What would people do for daycare if this happened? Are you suggesting RL people should actually watch kids?
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There are EV's already priced less than the average new car cost in the US. The US uses 25 % of the planet's cheap oil. The only way to lower world oil prices is to decrease demand.
    There is one other way, according to what I learned in Ec 101. That would be to increase supply.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Building CNG fueling stations has already begun, as local governments need such facilities to fuel up CNG buses purchased for mass transit. Here in Lafayette, La., there has already been built one station that is open to the public, with two more to come on line soon to service parish government vehicles that are being converted to CNG, and oil and gas industry vehicles that use the fuel. Both will also be open to the public. 2 Natural Gas Fueling Stations Coming to Lafayette, La.

    Right now CNG is clearly only cost effective for those with dedicated fleets that will be using their vehicles extensively, but I have hope that costs will come down and CNG will be a serious competitor with gasoline and diesel as transportation fuels.
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