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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Yup, edited my answer above to include ANWR.

    In a nutshell:

    I already said I'm not opposed to drilling in ANWR but I'd rather save it for a rainy day, especially since it's only about a six month supply (which will take 10 years to extract).

    From your link:



    From another link:



    In the meantime I don't think there's anything preventing oil companies from drilling in the NPRA. Why not expand there?

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    You mean other than that's NOT where the oil is?
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's just it, we don't have a surplus of cheap oil. The US hasn't produced as much oil as it consumes since 1971. With the world demand growing faster than new cheap supplies of oil, the price keeps increasing. It has been increasing since the 70's. Its why our highest oil production in a decade now, has not lowered world oil prices one bit, at least as far as I can tell. How about you? Have you noticed gas prices going down due to our increased production?
    Every little bit helps, but tell you what. Park your car so there's more gas for the rest of us. I mean you're causing global warming.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I drive a truck for a living, diesel is through the roof. If I have to fill my tanks, it can cost as much as $1200. per fill up. This cost is GOING to be passed along.

    So what else is new? Prices for gas have been going up for the last decade as world demand catches up to world supply:


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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How did you translate a savings of 21 cents a barrel of oil to 50 cents less a gallon of gas at the pump? And you have also forgotten to factor in the increased demand by 2025 which will have increased the price of oil far beyond the 21 cents a barrel. So you will not only have spoiled one of the our greatest national reserves for nothing, but we will have wasted precious time and resources developing alternative energy.

    Little wonder the Republicans decided against it when they were in complete control.
    I made up the numbers just like you did. The nation doesnt own ANWR. The people of Alaska do. They can do what they want with it.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Every little bit helps, but tell you what. Park your car so there's more gas for the rest of us. I mean you're causing global warming.
    For the last decade my milage has been more than double that of the average citizen, so I'm way ahead of you. And I built my passive solar house in 1984.


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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Or maybe the oil companies want to lock up the land until it makes better economical sense to extract the oil. Since oil company profits always remain high as ever, why would they want to create more supply when it would only lower the price?

    While I'm not for opening ANWR for reasons which consist of saving natural beauty and wildlife to not turning National Parks into oil fields, I'm also realistic enough to think we should save ANWR's oil for a rainy day. The Mojave is a vast desert and can certainly absorb solar panels, windmills can be built in non-migratory paths, Bonneville Dam, for one, has locks for spawning salmon.

    The nuclear waste issue needs to be solved and as far as NG is concerned, again, I'm not opposed to drilling, just not on, or near, our national treasures. Hydrogen needs advances in technology. If the country can back lunar landings and space exploration, it should also back alternative energies. We're going to need it.
    Its not really up to the US govt. The purpose of the govt is to protect people against violence and ensure justice and liberty. Taking state land is not one of its powers.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I made up the numbers just like you did. The nation doesnt own ANWR. The people of Alaska do. They can do what they want with it.
    See the numbers above from the EIA. I was only off by 20 cents a barrel. Not surprised to hear you made up your numbers though!
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    We can prove our beliefs by our committal to them, and in no other way. If you hate Big Oil, give up your car. If you think coal causes global warming, close your account with the electric company. To not do those things makes you a hypocrite.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    We can prove our beliefs by our committal to them, and in no other way. If you hate Big Oil, give up your car. If you think coal causes global warming, close your account with the electric company. To not do those things makes you a hypocrite.
    I'm working on all those things and have been since 1984. What are you committed to? And what are you doing to show your commitment?
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm working on all those things and have been since 1984.
    28 years and you still haven't gotten it done?

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    What are committed to?
    I'm committed to bash Obama as badly as the Liberals bashed Bush for years till the time come that he heads back to Chicago.

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    And what are you doing to show your commitment?
    It's evidenced by my postings on the Forums and comments on news sites.

    p.s. My electric bill is $41 a month level pay, my average cost for natural gas (heat) is about $32 a month and my average water use is $1.87 a month, of course they tack on all kinds of bull crap charges and it costs me $21 for $1.87 worth of water. My house is insulated like a refrigerator and use the sun for heating and conserve the cold in closed off rooms for cooling. Do I do it to save the Earth? Absolutely NOT! I do it so I can save money for other things.
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