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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its called research. They have to lease it so they can do more complex surveys to determine if its worth developing further. Your environmental argument is valid though, and worthy of debate. Its simply not the argument being made here by oil critics. Theres an environmental argument to be made against alternatives as well. Windmills kill animals. Hydro blocks fish spawning. Solar takes up tons of land and uses rare metals. Nuclear produces waste. Natural gas requires drilling. Hydrogen is risky and requires electricty to create (which comes from coal).
    Or maybe the oil companies want to lock up the land until it makes better economical sense to extract the oil. Since oil company profits always remain high as ever, why would they want to create more supply when it would only lower the price?

    While I'm not for opening ANWR for reasons which consist of saving natural beauty and wildlife to not turning National Parks into oil fields, I'm also realistic enough to think we should save ANWR's oil for a rainy day. The Mojave is a vast desert and can certainly absorb solar panels, windmills can be built in non-migratory paths, Bonneville Dam, for one, has locks for spawning salmon.

    The nuclear waste issue needs to be solved and as far as NG is concerned, again, I'm not opposed to drilling, just not on, or near, our national treasures. Hydrogen needs advances in technology. If the country can back lunar landings and space exploration, it should also back alternative energies. We're going to need it.

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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    The simplest example would be Reagan removed the solar panels from the White House.
    Why were they removed?
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Holy ****, you just got smoked. That was great to watch.
    Glad you think so, however my question asking for links to what programs were cut by Reagan hasn't been answered so I can explain WHY they were cut, looks like someone else got smoked instead.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Glad you think so, however my question asking for links to what programs were cut by Reagan hasn't been answered so I can explain WHY they were cut, looks like someone else got smoked instead.
    Just because you ignore what is in front of your face does not mean it wasn't provided:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060287772
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Or maybe the oil companies want to lock up the land until it makes better economical sense to extract the oil. Since oil company profits always remain high as ever, why would they want to create more supply when it would only lower the price?

    While I'm not for opening ANWR for reasons which consist of saving natural beauty and wildlife to not turning National Parks into oil fields, I'm also realistic enough to think we should save ANWR's oil for a rainy day. The Mojave is a vast desert and can certainly absorb solar panels, windmills can be built in non-migratory paths, Bonneville Dam, for one, has locks for spawning salmon.

    The nuclear waste issue needs to be solved and as far as NG is concerned, again, I'm not opposed to drilling, just not on, or near, our national treasures. Hydrogen needs advances in technology. If the country can back lunar landings and space exploration, it should also back alternative energies. We're going to need it.
    Let me get this straight, your all for saving the natural beauty and wildlife of ANWR, but in favor of destroying the natural beauty and wildlife of the desert? Got it!
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just because you ignore what is in front of your face does not mean it wasn't provided:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060287772

    Stink Progress isn't a valid news source, they aren't even included in the White House press corp, they appear to be a left wing kook blog and are therefore ignored. Anything from a reliable source?
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Stink Progress isn't a valid news source, they aren't even included in the White House press corp, they appear to be a left wing kook blog and are therefore ignored. Anything from a reliable source?
    "President Jimmy Carter requested the creation of the DOE as his first attempt at reorganizing the Federal agencies. Congress created the new agency with one major change from Carter's request. Carter wanted the authority to set wholesale interstate electricity rates and crude oil prices to rest with the DOE secretary. Congress vested this authority in an independent Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC).

    The enabling legislation reflected the energy and environmental concerns of the late 1970s. The DOE was to "promote maximum possible energy conservation measures" and to give the commercial use of solar, geothermal, recycling, and other renewable energy resources "the highest priority in the national energy program."

    "The Reagan and Bush era. Early in his first term, Ronald Reagan sought to abolish the DOE. He cut hundreds of positions from enforcement divisions of the agency. Reagan's abolition attempt failed in Congress when a General Accounting Office study revealed that abolition of the DOE would not save any money. Reagan was still able to change the function significantly. The Reagan-era DOE placed a much stronger focus on nuclear weapons production, nuclear energy, and fossil fuels. The Reagan administration cut DOE funding for renewable energy and conservation programs by as much as 80 percent, while it pledged to speed the licensing process of new nuclear power plants. The Reagan-era DOE deregulated the gasoline market. Between 1981 and 1989 the DOE dramatically expanded its weapons production and testing activities. During the previous decade nuclear weapons had been tested once every two years. In the 1980s three nuclear tests were conducted each year. The DOE also began preparations to store high-level nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, Nevada."

    Bibliography

    Fehner, Terrence R., and Jack M. Holl. Department of Energy, 1977–1994: A Summary History. Washington, D.C.: Department of Energy, 1994.

    Fehner, Terrence R., and F. G. Gosling. "Coming in From the Cold: Regulating U.S. Department of Energy Nuclear Facilities, 1942–1996." Environmental History 1, no. 2 (April 1996): 5–33.

    Gosling, F. G., and Terrence R. Fehner. Closing the Circle: The Department of Energy and Environmental Management, 1942–1994. Washington, D.C.: Department of Energy, 1994.

    Hewlett, Richard G., and Oscar E. Anderson Jr. The New World, 1939–1946. Vol.1of A History of the Atomic Energy Commission. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1990.


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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Reagan administration cut DOE funding for renewable energy and conservation programs by as much as 80 percent
    Probably because he saw it for what it was, top down central government planning and command control that never works.

    However, now seems we have a President that instead of listening to the people, chooses to force it when he doesn't get his way...This is back door cap n trade.


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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "President Jimmy Carter requested the creation of the DOE as his first attempt at reorganizing the Federal agencies. Congress created the new agency with one major change from Carter's request. Carter wanted the authority to set wholesale interstate electricity rates and crude oil prices to rest with the DOE secretary. Congress vested this authority in an independent Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC).

    The enabling legislation reflected the energy and environmental concerns of the late 1970s. The DOE was to "promote maximum possible energy conservation measures" and to give the commercial use of solar, geothermal, recycling, and other renewable energy resources "the highest priority in the national energy program."

    "The Reagan and Bush era. Early in his first term, Ronald Reagan sought to abolish the DOE. He cut hundreds of positions from enforcement divisions of the agency. Reagan's abolition attempt failed in Congress when a General Accounting Office study revealed that abolition of the DOE would not save any money. Reagan was still able to change the function significantly. The Reagan-era DOE placed a much stronger focus on nuclear weapons production, nuclear energy, and fossil fuels. The Reagan administration cut DOE funding for renewable energy and conservation programs by as much as 80 percent, while it pledged to speed the licensing process of new nuclear power plants. The Reagan-era DOE deregulated the gasoline market. Between 1981 and 1989 the DOE dramatically expanded its weapons production and testing activities. During the previous decade nuclear weapons had been tested once every two years. In the 1980s three nuclear tests were conducted each year. The DOE also began preparations to store high-level nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, Nevada."

    Bibliography

    Fehner, Terrence R., and Jack M. Holl. Department of Energy, 1977–1994: A Summary History. Washington, D.C.: Department of Energy, 1994.

    Fehner, Terrence R., and F. G. Gosling. "Coming in From the Cold: Regulating U.S. Department of Energy Nuclear Facilities, 1942–1996." Environmental History 1, no. 2 (April 1996): 5–33.

    Gosling, F. G., and Terrence R. Fehner. Closing the Circle: The Department of Energy and Environmental Management, 1942–1994. Washington, D.C.: Department of Energy, 1994.

    Hewlett, Richard G., and Oscar E. Anderson Jr. The New World, 1939–1946. Vol.1of A History of the Atomic Energy Commission. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1990.


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    Of course he did, unlike Obama, he was just keeping a campaign promise he made before his landslide victory.

    Ronald Reagan promised during his 1980 campaign to eliminate the Department of Energy.

    BG1061nbsp How to Close Down the Department
    Unfortunately, with a Democrat controlled House, closing it completely was obstructed in every way possible. That's too bad as they wasted over a billion dollars of taxpayers money on solar companies going bankrupt right and left. Solyndra, Ener1, Axiom, SpectraWatt, Evergreen and Stirling. That money would have been better spent burning it to keep the homeless warm this winter.
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    Re: Barack Obama pushes for $1bn green tax credits

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I know how little the drilling in ANWR would lower the price.
    Do you really? And how do you know that?
    That's one of the reasons that John McCain and other Republicans voted against drilling in ANWR, when they were in control of the White House and both Houses of Congress.

    McCain said: “We ought not drill in the Everglades, we ought not drill in the Grand Canyon, we ought not drill in ANWR.”
    Say Anything » Senator Byron Dorgan Tries To Justify His Opposition To Drilling For Oil In ANWR » Say Anything

    So John McCain is your source for the price of oil in 2025? Is that why you voted for him in the last election?

    When you make the claim that ANWAR would only change the price of oil by 21 cents over the next 13 years are you adjusting for inflation?

    Just kidding. You actually have no idea, do you?

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