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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

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    MK is considered a conservative democrat in many circles
    She's an old school, 1960s Democrat, which NOW makes her conservative in some ways . . . but she's a union stooge. I sat in an office with the president of my dad's union and he openly bragged about owning her.
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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Look at the map; the new Kaptur/Kucinich district (#9, running across Lake Erie) was obviously created explicitly to force them into a primary battle and get rid of one of them.
    The previous map, posted by SB above, shows the previous version of the district, and it represents the district as it was created to eliminate two Republican seats between Toledo and Cleveland.
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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The previous map, posted by SB above, shows the previous version of the district, and it represents the district as it was created to eliminate two Republican seats between Toledo and Cleveland.
    Both parties gerrymander districts on a regular basis whenever and wherever they can get away with it. That's a big part of why Congress has become more polarized, and it's a big reason why we need to have a computer program draw the districts. I think a system like this could work well:

    1. Certain parameters are given to a computer program (e.g. equally-sized districts, contiguous districts, square-shaped districts).
    2. The program randomly draws up, say, ten different maps.
    3. Each party gets to pick four of the ten maps to eliminate.
    4. The state's General Assembly selects among the remaining maps.

    That would produce something that was relatively unbiased since the parameters would have been set ahead of time. And the fact that each party would get to eliminate maps would produce something that was close to politically neutral (at least in the immediate short term), to avoid a situation where the program draws up a lopsided map purely by chance.
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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Both parties gerrymander districts on a regular basis whenever and wherever they can get away with it. That's a big part of why Congress has become more polarized, and it's a big reason why we need to have a computer program draw the districts.
    I don't disagree. Just providing context.
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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    I'll start worrying when Joe the Plumber wins the general election. How did he even win the nomination?
    He was running against an unknown Real Estate agent and barely got the nomination by a 3% margin. (51%-48%)

    I live in Ohio's 9th district and can tell you that any Republican usually has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election here. This district is a Democrat stronghold, even moreso now that Cleveland is also included the 9th district. However, if Kucinich decides to run as an independent (and he just might, knowing him) that could split the vote on the left and give Joe the Plumber a chance.

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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio - Business - msnbc.com


    Dennis Kucinich, just a short 3 1/2 years ago who ran in the Democratic Primary for President of the United States. While certainly a sometimes inflammatory character in Congress, some in the media are lamenting over his primary loss to Kaptur in Ohio's 9th district. Given that the Democrats completed the redistricting and possibly knew that such a move would make a primary battle for Kucinich tougher than in the past, one wonders if the Dennis had done something or perhaps did not do enough after 16 years in Congress to warrant a primary win. I just came back from Cleveland OH and though I didn't meet an excessive amount of people there, those who I did speak to did not seem like the average Kucinich supporter. While redistricting may have had a hand in his failed primary bid another hand may be that his progressive style became a bit tired.



    So very happy that I don't have to see his "Dennis!" signs plastered all over town anymore. Worst part about the signs was that he wasn't even asking for permission to put them in peoples yards.

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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio - Business - msnbc.com


    Dennis Kucinich, just a short 3 1/2 years ago who ran in the Democratic Primary for President of the United States. While certainly a sometimes inflammatory character in Congress, some in the media are lamenting over his primary loss to Kaptur in Ohio's 9th district. Given that the Democrats completed the redistricting and possibly knew that such a move would make a primary battle for Kucinich tougher than in the past, one wonders if the Dennis had done something or perhaps did not do enough after 16 years in Congress to warrant a primary win. I just came back from Cleveland OH and though I didn't meet an excessive amount of people there, those who I did speak to did not seem like the average Kucinich supporter. While redistricting may have had a hand in his failed primary bid another hand may be that his progressive style became a bit tired.
    This amazes me! Actually it insults me as it should insult anyone else who can read and think at the same time. In the OP is the following sentence:
    The reshuffling of Ohio voting boundaries by the Republican-dominated state legislature created an oddly-shaped district that stretches along the Lake Erie shore from Toledo to just east of Cleveland, forcing a primary race between the two.
    . Now Ockham either didn't read the OP, didn't understand the OP (both likely), or decided to misrepresent the OP because it suits his disgusting and slavish attraction to the GOP (very likely). No matter, what we do know is that Ockham was either dropped on his head at a very young age or that he is purposely deceitful, and would obviously misrepresent the truth than acknowledge it. Here is what Ockham said directly under the OP:
    Given that the Democrats completed the redistricting and possibly knew that such a move would make a primary battle for Kucinich tougher than in the past, one wonders if the Dennis had done something or perhaps did not do enough after 16 years in Congress to warrant a primary win.
    And there is it for all to see.

    I have never thought there was a great deal of veracity in the "chemtrails to dumb down the locals" myth. Then again I see something like the above and I wonder. Blind partisanship is the answer. I've seen it on both sides. Not all partisans are blind and thankfully there may be fewer partisans than there used to be. It make sense that both factions of Corpgov, Republicans and Democrats, would be losing supporters. Half the people in America fall below the median IQ.










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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Reminds me of Santorum...honestly insane.
    Can you give us 5 good examples or are you just farting out of your mouth?










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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I didnt agree with Kucinich on much, but he was honest, believed what he believed, and was more of a liberal loner than a fierce partisan. Kaptur is just a partisan hack. The congress, as hard as this is to believe, just got worse in my opinion.
    i kind of feel the same way.

    while i'm not a rabid Kucinich or Paul supporter on the majority of issues, i want them both there. they both seem to have integrity.

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    Re: Liberal Congressman Kucinich defeated in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It didn't have much to do with ideology; both Kucinich and Kaptur are very liberal Democrats. It was just the redistricting. If the congressional districts were the same as last time around, both Dennis Kucinich and Marcy Kaptur would've easily retained their seats. Look at the map; the new Kaptur/Kucinich district (#9, running across Lake Erie) was obviously created explicitly to force them into a primary battle and get rid of one of them.

    This is exactly why we should have a computer program re-draw the congressional districts every 10 years, instead of letting congresspeople do it themselves. This kind of crap is not healthy for our democracy.

    http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-c...1315958341.pdf
    If it was 'just redistricting' and they are both 'very liberal democrats' that sort of defeats your whole argument doesnt it?

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