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Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

(1) I never said "USA" was in and of itself racist. In fact, I stated the opposite. Neither "nigger" nor "USA" is inherently insulting. Both BECOME insulting depending upon the context in which it was used. In this context, it was insulting. Whether it's racist is arguable as I said.

(2) Where did they say that they chant "USA" at every game? And why are you taking their word for it?


(3) This has nothing to do with what I said and the "they did it first" whine is less than amusing. Although, the fact that they were chanting "Alamo Whites" just furthers the argument that chanting USA was meant to be insulting.

(1) It may have been insulting, but I don't think it was racist. Both sides were being foolish.

(2) Gie explained it.

(3) Why is it supposedly insulting during this game, but not during their older games, considering the various opposing players with differing backgrounds?
 
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I found one of them using Google. Still don't see how frequency changes things - even one of the students from Alamo Heights said that he thought some of the kids meant it to be offensive.
I of course am not arguing that frequency changes things, I've argued that both chants were offensive and I do believe that some on both sides of the court meant to be offensive. I mean the whole "Alamo Whites" chant started after the Mules (Alamo Heights team name) came from behind to win the game in the last quarter. I suspect had Edison not lost the game the "Alamo Whites" chant likely would not have been heard at all. But that is just speculation on my part.
 
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Oh good lord don't let the fact that I have not dropped any ad hom bombs on you get in the way of your whine. Oh man, the shame I must feel about this nonexistent occurrence. To say nothing of the rank not accepting responsibility for not attacking you with ad homs.

You do realize you don't even make any sense and appear to just be talking as they say, out your posterior? Of course you do.

I know, it is difficult to take responsibility for your behaviors. Remember... admitting you have a problem is the first step towards enlightenment.
 
I know, it is difficult to take responsibility for your behaviors. Remember... admitting you have a problem is the first step towards enlightenment.
Meanwhile as the thread progresses and the actual topic is being discussed, we have you still pretending I attacked you personally with ad hominem insults. Given the fact that no such attack took place and does not appear anywhere in the thread, all this personal responsibility idiocy of yours is rather irrational. You appear to be letting your irrational emotions get the best of you and make an ass of yourself. Which is fine by me. Either way, we won't be seeing you post the supposed quote in question, ya know because it is a figment of your imagination or a delusion of some sort. Perhaps it is only that you have made a mistake, either way I could care less, end of the day is that you are just talking out your ass about something that never occurred.


Bye now Captain Courtesy.
 
Meanwhile as the thread progresses and the actual topic is being discussed, we have you still pretending I attacked you personally with ad hominem insults. Given the fact that no such attack took place and does not appear anywhere in the thread, all this personal responsibility idiocy of yours is rather irrational. You appear to be letting your irrational emotions get the best of you and make an ass of yourself. Which is fine by me. Either way, we won't be seeing you post the supposed quote in question, ya know because it is a figment of your imagination or a delusion of some sort. Perhaps it is only that you have made a mistake, either way I could care less, end of the day is that you are just talking out your ass about something that never occurred.


Bye now Captain Courtesy.

I like how you put Courtesy in italics... it makes it very dramatic.
 
I like how you put Courtesy in italics... it makes it very dramatic.
If I thought putting it in bold red two story tall neon font would help the poor man come to the realization that he is literally harping on a non existent event, I probably would. But yes, it is a lot of "drama" based around a non event.
 
(1) It may have been insulting, but I don't think it was racist. Both sides were being foolish.
Sure.

(2) Gie explained it.
And frequency still does not prove lack of racial/ethnic intent in this case.

(3) Why is it supposedly insulting during this game, but not during their older games, considering the various opposing players with differing backgrounds?
I never said it wasn't insulting in other games. But we're talking about this game and in this game, so: the nationality of the team + the opposing team apparently chanting 'Alamo Whites' + the fact that BOTH Edison and Alamo Heights students said it was meant to be insulting makes the idea that it was insulting and ethnically-based much more likely than the idea that it wasn't insulting or ethnically-based.
 
I never said it wasn't insulting in other games. But we're talking about this game and in this game, so: the nationality of the team + the opposing team apparently chanting 'Alamo Whites' + the fact that BOTH Edison and Alamo Heights students said it was meant to be insulting makes the idea that it was insulting and ethnically-based much more likely than the idea that it wasn't insulting or ethnically-based.

If I punch an Asian man, am I a racist? Am I a racist if I first punch two white men, a black man, the asian man, and then an Arabic man?

The punch is like an insult, but it isn't necessarily racist. Also, if one man punched me pretty hard, I'd be inclined to punch back.

Insulting? Sure. Racist? I don't think so. If it was racist, then both sides were racist.
 
Meanwhile as the thread progresses and the actual topic is being discussed, we have you still pretending I attacked you personally with ad hominem insults. Given the fact that no such attack took place and does not appear anywhere in the thread, all this personal responsibility idiocy of yours is rather irrational. You appear to be letting your irrational emotions get the best of you and make an ass of yourself. Which is fine by me. Either way, we won't be seeing you post the supposed quote in question, ya know because it is a figment of your imagination or a delusion of some sort. Perhaps it is only that you have made a mistake, either way I could care less, end of the day is that you are just talking out your ass about something that never occurred.


Bye now Captain Courtesy.

Of course it happened. Your inability to take responsibility prevents you from admitting it. Not my problem.
 
I had the opportunity to sit down with a friend of mine tonight who is not only a journalist, but one who has investigated and written about this story. Albeit in an opinion column. Clearly this is all anecdotal, but as I learned I had some facts wrong and so did others, I thought I would pass it along.

The "Alamo Whites" chant did occur and the "USA" chant was started in reply to it. The "USA" chant was NOT heard at every game this year. This was something a student claimed but upon investigation it turned out not to be true. It never happened. The coach of the Alamo Heights team immediately quashed the USA chant because he recognized it was offensive. While Alamo Heights did recently play a game against an all white team from an affluent area in Austin, no USA chant was used at this or any other game this year or any other year for that matter. Essentially this was bad behavior by fans of both teams, from the get go.

Thought I'd share.

On a different note, it sure is funny how the poster that tried to lecture me about personal accountability and responsibility, owning up to ones actions, now that he has finally figured out he was not personally attacked ad hominem? He is not practicing what he preached, taking no accountability or responsibility for his actions. Yeah it is kinda funny and obvious as all hell too.

EDIT: Opps, the Captain has doubled down on stupid. Again. So not only will we not be seeing the Captain quote or point us to all the ad hom personal attacks that did not occur against him, but he won't be taking any responsibility for his dishonest actions either. He is just going to double down on them, keep making the same claim over and over again and hope nobody notices that none of it occurred and hopefully not wonder why he does not just simply quote and post the ad hom attacks that he swears (pinky promise) were made against him. Makes his whole lecture earlier seem irrational and obvious as hell too.
 
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I had the opportunity to sit down with a friend of mine tonight who is not only a journalist, but one who has investigated and written about this story. Albeit in an opinion column. Clearly this is all anecdotal, but as I learned I had some facts wrong and so did others, I thought I would pass it along.

The "Alamo Whites" chant did occur and the "USA" chant was started in reply to it. The "USA" chant was NOT heard at every game this year. This was something a student claimed but upon investigation it turned out not to be true. It never happened. The coach of the Alamo Heights team immediately quashed the USA chant because he recognized it was offensive. While Alamo Heights did recently play a game against an all white team from an affluent area in Austin, no USA chant was used at this or any other game this year or any other year for that matter. Essentially this was bad behavior by fans of both teams, from the get go.

Thought I'd share.

This is information that most of us already knew.

On a different note, it sure is funny how the poster that tried to lecture me about personal accountability and responsibility, owning up to ones actions, now that he has finally figured out he was not personally attacked ad hominem? He is not practicing what he preached, taking no accountability or responsibility for his actions. Yeah it is kinda funny and obvious as all hell too.

EDIT: Opps, the Captain has doubled down on stupid. Again. So not only will we not be seeing the Captain quote or point us to all the ad hom personal attacks that did not occur against him, but he won't be taking any responsibility for his dishonest actions either. He is just going to double down on them, keep making the same claim over and over again and hope nobody notices that none of it occurred and hopefully not wonder why he does not just simply quote and post the ad hom attacks that he swears (pinky promise) were made against him. Makes his whole lecture earlier seem irrational and obvious as hell too.

Poor Gie. STILL can't take responsibility for his actions. Of COURSE you started it... and then whined and complained when you got it back. Here's where you started to get personal. I placed in bold the condescending comment:

Only try as I might, I can't decipher the obviously brilliant point hidden within this so called Easter egg.

So, I responding with some light condescension. So, you continued with some FURTHER attacks, here:

Only I will make fun of you for that as well as the idiotic insistence that bringing up the entire premise of your "offense" is supposed to be diversionary. I'm charitable like that.

So, I responded in kind. And here is where you started whining:

By all means please do make fun of me and my b/w thinking and any other adjectives you can come up with. My limitations, education and any other ad homs ya got, that is after all the hallmark of all great master debaters. How else are we to know you have not anything even marginally intelligent left to say at this point? You go "Captain Courtesy"!

Now, I've seen your posting style here. None of this is any surprise. If you don't like the responses you get, do try not to act so much like a jerk and then refuse to take responsibility for acting like said jerk. Perhaps THEN you won't have cause to whine.
 
This is information that most of us already knew.



Poor Gie. STILL can't take responsibility for his actions. Of COURSE you started it... and then whined and complained when you got it back. Here's where you started to get personal. I placed in bold the condescending comment:



So, I responding with some light condescension. So, you continued with some FURTHER attacks, here:



So, I responded in kind. And here is where you started whining:



Now, I've seen your posting style here. None of this is any surprise. If you don't like the responses you get, do try not to act so much like a jerk and then refuse to take responsibility for acting like said jerk. Perhaps THEN you won't have cause to whine.
Now your claim/stance/story has morphed. Now it is that "I started IT" not used ad hom personal insults to attack you, but started "IT". If you wanted to complain that I was being a smart ass, you should just whine about that. On a message board though, that would just be stupid. Like tripling down with not only a lot of stupid, but a lot of dishonest "hackish" stupid.
 
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Now your claim/stance/story has morphed. Now it is that "I started IT" not used ad hom personal insults to attack you, but started "IT". If you wanted to complain that I was being a smart ass, you should just whine about that. On a message board though, that would just be stupid.

Ah. So you don't know what an ad hom attack is. You do understand that being a "smart ass" is an ad hom attack. Here's a good definition:

Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself.

And, there was no complaining from me. I just responded in the same tone as you. AND when I did, YOU whined. Like I've been saying... no responsibility.
 
Ah. So you don't know what an ad hom attack is. You do understand that being a "smart ass" is an ad hom attack. Here's a good definition:



And, there was no complaining from me. I just responded in the same tone as you. AND when I did, YOU whined. Like I've been saying... no responsibility.
Amazingly the only thing you appear capable of in this thread, is contradicting yourself at every turn and doing nothing but complaining about posters and their as you see them flaws and "hackish" comments. The addition of the outright lies and then sudden change of focus from supposed ad hom personal attacks, to who started "IT"? Followed by nothing but what can only be construed as a personal attack that is about me and what was it? My posting style? Not the topic, not the discussion at hand but your personal problems with me?

Bye Captain Courtesy. You are so full of manure your eyeballs are floating in it.
 
Amazingly the only thing you appear capable of in this thread, is contradicting yourself at every turn and doing nothing but complaining about posters and their as you see them flaws and "hackish" comments. The addition of the outright lies and then sudden change of focus from supposed ad hom personal attacks, to who started "IT"? Followed by nothing but what can only be construed as a personal attack that is about me and what was it? My posting style? Not the topic, not the discussion at hand but your personal problems with me?

Bye Captain Courtesy. You are so full of manure your eyeballs are floating in it.

Ah. No response. You started the snarkiness and ad homs and then complained about the responses you got. And you STILL haven't taken responsibility for your behaviors. Just keep in mind this. You'll get what you give, Gie. If you don't like what you get, try to work on your own behavior.
 
Ah. No response. You started the snarkiness and ad homs and then complained about the responses you got. And you STILL haven't taken responsibility for your behaviors. Just keep in mind this. You'll get what you give, Gie. If you don't like what you get, try to work on your own behavior.
I apologize for not bothering to read your last post, but the whole take no responsibility meme is already debunked. Not that you would have noticed, as that had something to do with the topic of the thread. Then there is the whole series of post between us where I acknowledged getting some things you said wrong. I even crowned you as I promised I would. Then there is the problem with the fact that tonight I posted *new* admittedly anecdotal information about facts that I had gotten wrong. Don't let the fact that I did all of this in plain sight on a public message board get in the way of your hackish meme though. So at the end of the day, I thank you for withdrawing your claim that I had been personally attacking you ad hom and changing your claim to who started "it". Might even call it something cute, like the Little Rascals Debate. Who started "IT"! You did, no you did. Wait, why are you changing your claim/stance/story? Uhm, never mind?
 
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"Hispanic" isn't a race, therefore, it cannot possibly be racist to say "USA, USA" during a game involving Hispanic students.

Most people consider it is, although more commonly people now use "Latino."
 
Most people consider it is, although more commonly people now use "Latino."

It has more to do with ethnic identity, than actual race. For instance, there are many blacks that live in South America, but they identify themselves as Latino.


EDIT: I should say "South of the US" rather than South America.
 
Early in the thread, there were certainly some who said that chanting "USA" was not offensive. One poster who comes to mind is j-mac.

Where? And remember oh ruler of all context...Let's be sure to include all of my context.


j-mac
 
Where? And remember oh ruler of all context...Let's be sure to include all of my context.


j-mac
As you can see by the Captain's recent reluctant posting of the so called examples of me personally attacking him ad hominem, the charge got somewhat watered down once he did a little back tracking and reading. Then it got just feeble when he posted his "proof". Now here you are asking him to quote where you did as he says you did? This should be amusing. Speaking of context, whenever I see a poster on an internet message board trying to psychoanalyze other posters? Sharing with others their keen insights like, you don't accept responsibility for your actions? Based upon an argument or dust up about a political topic on an internet message board? I know we are dealing with a nincompoop that has lost touch with context completely. Which is why I guess these types are always the ones crowing about context. Yip that is the internet for you.
 
The "Alamo Whites" chant did occur and the "USA" chant was started in reply to it.

Two wrongs in WHATEVER order still don't make either of those instances into something that would no longer be reasonably read as racism.

The "USA" chant was NOT heard at every game this year. This was something a student claimed but upon investigation it turned out not to be true. It never happened. The coach of the Alamo Heights team immediately quashed the USA chant because he recognized it was offensive.

The coach gets it. As for repeated or not, it's completely irrelevant. The context of even a single instance of a "USA" chant makes it perfectly reasonable for observers to interpret such as an implication that the other team is being suggested (by the chanters) to be less- or non-American.

Everything else is irrelevance and obfuscation.
 
I apologize for not bothering to read your last post, but the whole take no responsibility meme is already debunked. Not that you would have noticed, as that had something to do with the topic of the thread. Then there is the whole series of post between us where I acknowledged getting some things you said wrong. I even crowned you as I promised I would. Then there is the problem with the fact that tonight I posted *new* admittedly anecdotal information about facts that I had gotten wrong. Don't let the fact that I did all of this in plain sight on a public message board get in the way of your hackish meme though. So at the end of the day, I thank you for withdrawing your claim that I had been personally attacking you ad hom and changing your claim to who started "it". Might even call it something cute, like the Little Rascals Debate. Who started "IT"! You did, no you did. Wait, why are you changing your claim/stance/story? Uhm, never mind?

Now, not only are you not taking responsibility for your behavior, but you are being dishonest too. Nothing you said above has any basis in reality, nor did I claim any of it. Shame. Now we know that you can't take responsibility for your behavior AND you are dishonest. I wonder what else we will learn about you.
 
As you can see by the Captain's recent reluctant posting of the so called examples of me personally attacking him ad hominem, the charge got somewhat watered down once he did a little back tracking and reading. Then it got just feeble when he posted his "proof". Now here you are asking him to quote where you did as he says you did? This should be amusing. Speaking of context, whenever I see a poster on an internet message board trying to psychoanalyze other posters? Sharing with others their keen insights like, you don't accept responsibility for your actions? Based upon an argument or dust up about a political topic on an internet message board? I know we are dealing with a nincompoop that has lost touch with context completely. Which is why I guess these types are always the ones crowing about context. Yip that is the internet for you.

Poor Gie. Still upset that I called you out, proved you wrong (with quotes of yours) and demonstrated both your lack of ability to take responsibility and your dishonesty. You can whine all you want. Doesn't change your behavior.
 
Where? And remember oh ruler of all context...Let's be sure to include all of my context.


j-mac

Here you go:

How ashamed of being American does one have to be to think that a chant of "USA" is a bad thing? Sad dude, real sad.


j-mac

And it wasn't until post #341 that you actually indicated that you DID understand context... which I acknowledged in post #342.
 
Poor Gie. Still upset that I called you out, proved you wrong (with quotes of yours) and demonstrated both your lack of ability to take responsibility and your dishonesty. You can whine all you want. Doesn't change your behavior.
It's like some internet nincompoop keeps playing the same broken scratched up record over and over again, telling everyone it is Pavarotti. Only it sounds like Yankovic.
 
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