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Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

muciti said:
How so? Please explain. So its okay for Puerto Ricans to have pride, but Americans shouldn't?
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In the basketball game, BOTH teams were American. You're comparison would have made sense if BOTH dancing teams were puerto rican. That is why your comparison fails. Chanting Boriqua isn't offensive to the Black dance team because it doesn't insinuate that they're not puerto rican, because as you say, they're black.

When the crowd started chanting USA, that insinuated that the other team were NOT Americans. THAT is why it was offensive, and THAT is why your comparison does not work.
 
Mya said:
You are absolutely right muciti, I agree with you totally, don't ask for anything.... if people want to live in ignorance let them.
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How is chanting USA show casing pride, when the losing team was American?
 
Connery said:
I take the totality of the thread into consideration, by doing so content, context, and a record of what was represented can be used in a discussion, if necessary.

You have selected some of my statements and ignored others for reasons I cannot fathom. Thank you for inviting me to this discussion, I have answered your questions, rebutted your presumptions and presented evidence which contradicts several positions you have represented.
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You have done nothing of the sort. I pointed out your lack of context in assessing the situation. When confronted, you backpeddled, and claimed to be questioning things, even after I quoted your posts, demonstrating that you did nothing of the sort. You have made unsubstantiated accusations which I have rebutted completely. That about sums it up.

Your “like” posts are very relevant as far as I am concerned. Precedent was set when Global Moderator Serenity treated my “like” as a serious position when she stated, “i have a problem with which you "liked".”
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Your assumptions are just that. Assumptions. I "like" posts for a variety of reasons.

Therefore you appear to have two opposing positions, it seems:

1. You stated that, “[You have] already said in this thread that what occurred was not racism.”
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In the strictest terms, correct.

2. By proxy supported the idea that the statement was racially based. You “Liked” and supported such views. The application of the “Serenity Like Standard” is applied here as a "matter of course".
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This is where you make a false assumption. Just because one poster applies a standard like that does not mean another does. Therefore, since this part of your supposition fails to have any validity, your presumption that there is a contradiction is false.

I have exercised the degree of respect, courtesy and tolerance which I would have expected and thank you once again for your interest in my views. I look forward to discussing other issues and topics with you in the future.

Warmest regards,

Connery
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Well, I do hope you enjoyed the interaction. Perhaps we can do it again.
 
Lightdemon said:
In the basketball game, BOTH teams were American. You're comparison would have made sense if BOTH dancing teams were puerto rican. That is why your comparison fails. Chanting Boriqua isn't offensive to the Black dance team because it doesn't insinuate that they're not puerto rican, because as you say, they're black.

When the crowd started chanting USA, that insinuated that the other team were NOT Americans. THAT is why it was offensive, and THAT is why your comparison does not work.
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I am fairly confident that just about everyone there was American.
 
Lightdemon said:
How is chanting USA show casing pride, when the losing team was American?
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When I compete against another American I am still proud to be American. The other party doesnt really dictate whether or not I am proud to American. You seem to have this misconception that American equals white, and white equals wrong. That is simply not the case. In that same dance competition i was at and people were chanting borirqua, what if a white group had won and people started chanting USA then. Or if the black group had won and USA was chanted. At what point does it become racist? Seems like only when white people are involved.
 
muciti said:
His post makes sense. I was in NYC a few years ago and went to a club that a friend knew they were having a dance contest in there. They had the dance crews going it at. Really fun to watch. The final 2 groups that went at it was a group of black kids and a group of puerto ricans. The PR group won, and the crowd, or part of the crowd was getting pretty excited for them and the phrase Boriqua over and over. In case you don't know it means Puerto Rico or puerto rican or something like that. The other group of kids, or any of the other losers or anyone else in that crowd didnt start getting huffy and crying because of them chanting Boriqua. Certainly didn't make the news, and there damn sure weren't a ton of liberals there telling how wrong it was to have pride in the country many of them were from.

So I want to ask now, do you think those people in the crowd were being racist?
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Your post reminds me of this:

 
Racist? Definitely no.
Used in an insulting context? Yes.
Deserving of punishment? No
 
muciti said:
I am fairly confident that just about everyone there was American.
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You still don't get it....

Why would Americans be offended by the chants of Boriqua, if the Americans were not from PR??
The Hispanic students had a legitimate reason for being offended because of the insinuation that they are NOT American, because in fact they ARE American.

That is prejudice, and very characteristic of being racist.
 
muciti said:
When I compete against another American I am still proud to be American. The other party doesnt really dictate whether or not I am proud to American. You seem to have this misconception that American equals white, and white equals wrong. That is simply not the case. In that same dance competition i was at and people were chanting borirqua, what if a white group had won and people started chanting USA then. Or if the black group had won and USA was chanted. At what point does it become racist? Seems like only when white people are involved.
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No, they don't dictate whether you can be proud of your heritage, but that was never the issue. The chanting of USA wasn't only a show of pride, but also an insinuation that the Hispanic students were not as American as the Alamo School. That is prejudice, and therefore racist in nature.
 
Lightdemon said:
No, they don't dictate whether you can be proud of your heritage, but that was never the issue. The chanting of USA wasn't only a show of pride, but also an insinuation that the Hispanic students were not as American as the Alamo School. That is prejudice, and therefore racist in nature.
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Wow, you're pretty insightful...Do you also do tarot card readings?


j-mac
 
They may have been ethnocentric, behaving ethnocentrically. They were not racist.

Hypothetically (or not as the case may be), if the other team was made up of illegal aliens would the Alamo team have been socially acceptable in chanting USA? What if the other team was displaying the flag of Mexico or shouting "viva la Mexico", would they have been accused of racism? Or, would they have been celebrating there ethnic heritage?
 
GreenvilleGrows said:
They may have been ethnocentric, behaving ethnocentrically. They were not racist.

Hypothetically (or not as the case may be), if the other team was made up of illegal aliens would the Alamo team have been socially acceptable in chanting USA? What if the other team was displaying the flag of Mexico or shouting "viva la Mexico", would they have been accused of racism? Or, would they have been celebrating there ethnic heritage?
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Reports now say that the losing team started chanting "Alamo whites" before they were drown out by the USA chant...Nice how that was reported in context isn't it?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Reports now say that the losing team started chanting "Alamo whites" before they were drown out by the USA chant...Nice how that was reported in context isn't it?

j-mac
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Link?

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Erod said:
U.S. News - Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game



Hmmm, I didn't know that the USA consisted of white people only.

What really burns my blood is that you can not possibly imagine the stuff my daughter has heard playing basketball and running in track meets at predominantly black schools, but MSNBC wouldn't be the least bit interested in a story like that.

Double standards run amuck.
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Well then. That makes this OK. Seriously. How quickly you condemned this behavior. Oh wait. You didn't.
 
j-mac said:
Reports now say that the losing team started chanting "Alamo whites" before they were drown out by the USA chant...Nice how that was reported in context isn't it?

j-mac
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I'm sure you have a Link?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Link?

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Oh, you think I made it up?

:roll

Now, numerous reports have surfaced that Edison fans were referring to Alamo Heights as "Alamo Whites."

Those people say that is racist as well.

The controversy also has people asking questions about why saying "USA" could be considered racist.

Ashley Mergele is an Alamo Heights junior who was at the game.

"People call us 'Alamo Whites' all the time, but I think in this situation it made a bigger deal," Mergele said.

Racism complaint generates nationwide controversy | News - Home
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j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Wow, you're pretty insightful...Do you also do tarot card readings?


j-mac
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You don't need to be a tarot card reader to understand this. Unless, of course, you're blind to racism.
 
GreenvilleGrows said:
They may have been ethnocentric, behaving ethnocentrically. They were not racist.

Hypothetically (or not as the case may be), if the other team was made up of illegal aliens would the Alamo team have been socially acceptable in chanting USA? What if the other team was displaying the flag of Mexico or shouting "viva la Mexico", would they have been accused of racism? Or, would they have been celebrating there ethnic heritage?
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Except, of course, there is no indication that any of that was happening. What did happen was that a bunch of rich white kids from a rich white school thought it would be funny to chant USA at a team with brown kids on it. It doesn't get much more racist than that, short of dragging a noose around the court.
 
Top Cat said:
I'm sure you have a Link?
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Good luck with finding a link. This strikes me as a 'We look like a bunch of redneck racists here - quick, let's find some justification for our racism'.

It ain't working.
 
Wouldn't it be racist if the chant was "white power, white power, white power"? "USA, USA, USA..." is simply not racist. How hard is that to understand? Some people that disagree with the USA, USA chant are probably into showing their disapproval with "down twinkles".
 
Wiggen said:
Good luck with finding a link. This strikes me as a 'We look like a bunch of redneck racists here - quick, let's find some justification for our racism'.

It ain't working.
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try this
Students from Schools at Center of 'USA' Chant Uproar Speak Out - War On Patriotism - Fox Nation

and this
San Antonio prep hoops fans accused of racism over

and this
Reaction to chant goes beyond justice to revenge - Seguin Gazette: Community Columnists

and this
Texas HS apologizes for students chanting 'USA!'
 
Wiggen said:
You don't need to be a tarot card reader to understand this. Unless, of course, you're blind to racism.
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You mean the ones chanting 'Alamo Whites'? I agree....BTW they started it....And not to mention these are kids....not always the most PC when it comes to sporting events.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Oh, you think I made it up?

:roll

j-mac
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I asked you a question. You seem sensitive.

In any case, if the other team is calling them "Alamo Whites" (only one report of this by the way with no video), then it seems like there is some racial tension going on in the area and all the willfully ignorant people who earlier in the thread claimed that the other team was just being "patriotic" (LOL) have been shown to be more full of it. Consequently, everything I've said in this thread remains valid.

Even so, chanting "USA" is even dumber than chanting "whites" considering that everyone is in the USA and not everyone is white.
 
j-mac said:
You mean the ones chanting 'Alamo Whites'? I agree....BTW they started it....And not to mention these are kids....not always the most PC when it comes to sporting events.

j-mac
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O really? Were you there at the game? Were you there when some first uttered either "Alamo Whites" or "USA" whenever this whole conflict began? Don't think so.
 
Look Play, I find it funny that you can believe that "USA" constitutes racism, yet want video evidence of someone actually chanting about a skin color before you believe it....This says volumes of you sir.


j-mac
 
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