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Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

Connery said:
Actually they did not. Your perception of what occurred tells you they did.
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You're right. I made an assumption, as I stated in the second post of the thread. It's an educated assumption based on what normally occurs at sporting events and the ethnic/racial makeup of the teams. My assumption, based on those two factors, is much more likely than the assumption that they did not imply that the Hispanics were not American.

They razzed the other team? Maybe. Any person white, green, purple or otherwise will soon realize that life is tough enough and someone shouting USA USA is not a fatal blow. Maybe when they have real problems they wish wish for those glory days at high school when they lost the game and got all upset over nothing.
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This has nothing to do with what I've said. I see we've gotten to the part of the discussion where you start talking to me as if I've made a bigger issue of this than I have.
 
whysoserious said:
Because it's been clearly demonstrated to you that you can be racist toward ethnicities and yet you continue this charade.
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I've already exaplained to you that your Wiki link on Racism and my Wiki link on Hispanic directly contradict eachother. Furthermore, I've included links from our Government census and certain other sites that show Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Furthermore, you seem to think that any ethnicity can be considered a race, such as being Muslim.
 
Wake said:
I've already exaplained to you that your Wiki link on Racism and my Wiki link on Hispanic directly contradict eachother. Furthermore, I've included links from our Government census and certain other sites that show Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Furthermore, you seem to think that any ethnicity can be considered a race, such as being Muslim.
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This entire debate is shut down by the fact that race is social construct and people and societies have different boundaries for race. Once upon a time, Germans and Italians were considered separate races. Race is a dynamic word - stop trying to make it static.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
That's silly: we ended busing in 1999 purely because it was a waste of taxpayer dollars. No one is FORCING them to live 'with eachother' or something. You cannot force people to LIVE in a mixed - race melting pot if they don't want to. where you live is up to you - if you want to live near family that's your business, no one else's.

So - the real problem is that you see a natural means of existance in which people choose to live and THINK there's something wrong with it.
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thanks for confirming you are definitely wearing wadded panties


nothing says the white neighborhood kids all have to go to the same school
and the black/hispanic children in those other neighborhoods don't have to go together in a different school
re-draw the lines - gerrymander - to achieve integration of the schools
then this kind of minor crap would not happen, since the hispanic kids would be attending both schools, and the white kids would, too, instead of their separate but unequal schools
 
This whole thing is about people being overly sensitive. The phrase USA should not be able to be construed as racist. If the other teams are Americans, then what is there to be offended by?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
You're right. I made an assumption, as I stated in the second post of the thread. It's an educated assumption based on what normally occurs at sporting events and the ethnic/racial makeup of the teams. My assumption, based on those two factors, is much more likely than the assumption that they did not imply that the Hispanics were not American.
This has nothing to do with what I've said. I see we've gotten to the part of the discussion where you start talking to me as if I've made a bigger issue of this than I have.
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You hold yourself out to be an authority when in reality you can only speak of your interpretation as we all do. I am not suggesting that you are making this out to be bigger in any fashion at all. I am sharing my perspective which will accepted, rejected or ignored. Comment on it if you so desire.
 
muciti said:
This whole thing is about people being overly sensitive. The phrase USA should not be able to be construed as racist. If the other teams are Americans, then what is there to be offended by?
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I agree with you and Bubba on this. It's not racist, and people are being a bit too over-sensitive imho.
 
Connery said:
You hold yourself out to be an authority when in reality you can only speak of your interpretation as we all do.
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That's your perception of what I am doing. However, in actuality, I have stated clearly multiple times that I am making an assumption which is the opposite of holding myself as an authority.

I am not suggesting that you are making this out to be bigger in any fashion at all. I am sharing my perspective which will accepted, rejected or ignored. Comment on it if you so desire.
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When you talk about "fatal blows" and such when neither I nor anyone else has made the situation in OP out to be anything even close to that dramatic, then you are implying that I and others are making it worse than it is.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
That's your perception of what I am doing. However, in actuality, I have stated clearly multiple times that I am making an assumption which is the opposite of holding myself as an authority.
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No

When you talk about "fatal blows" and such when neither I nor anyone else has made the situation in OP out to be anything even close to that dramatic, then you are implying that I and others are making it worse than it is
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No

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Discussing linguistic mechanics is nothing more than a waste of time.


Should you further wish to discuss the issues I would enjoy your thoughts and perspective.
 
Connery said:
No
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Yes. It's funny how you're willing to tell other people what they're doing, but quickly let others know that what they say is only mere perception.

No

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Discussing linguistic mechanics is nothing more than a waste of time.


Should you further wish to discuss the issues I would enjoy your thoughts and perspective.
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No thank you. Your deflections say it all.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Yes. It's funny how you're willing to tell other people what they're doing, but quickly let others know that what they say is only mere perception.
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I have no idea what your are talking about.


No thank you. Your deflections say it all
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I have deflected nothing. I have been straightforward with my views.
 
I would have to agree with TPD. If they were chanting their school it would be quite clear their intent. Chanting USA instead, makes it "seem" rude to the losing team due to their ethnicity. Which is stupid, and profiling due to race.

Sigh.
 
This what occurred, some student members who were in the stands stated USA USA. They were reprimanded and the other team received an apology. It really is that simple.
 
Edison high school is in juarez? Hispanics aren't americans?


Theres racism here, but not where te story says.
 
Considering that I live in the area and attend a high school within their district, I can definitely attest to the fact that Alamo Heights has quite a reputation of being a school filled with bigots with a minuscule minority populous. With the knowledge and the reputation of some of the school's populace being bigoted it's easy to see why there rant can be construed as racist, as it most definitely is.
 
Wait, wait... wait! Let me see if I understand this. Two high school teams were playing basketball, in a high school. Both teams were from American schools, comprised of American students, playing in an American league, in America. And someone thinks that chanting "USA" is racist?

ReverendHellh0und said:
Edison high school is in juarez? Hispanics aren't americans?

Theres racism here, but not where te story says.
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This. Whoever thinks that pro-USA means anti-Hispanic is the racist.
 
andrew said:
Perhaps they wanted all the Americans to chant USA. Instead their coach hushes them, and they get punished. It's a shame...
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Any more straws you'd like to grasp at?

I think you might have missed one.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Edison high school is in juarez? Hispanics aren't americans?


Theres racism here, but not where te story says.
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Racism may be strong a term. How about "These students are COMPLETE ****ING MORONS who need a lesson in remedial geography." I weep for the educational system in Texas, if this is what it produces.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, it's obvious, isn't it? You chant USA at the other school because you don't believe their students are 'Real Americans'. It's the standard Republican response to hispanics. Post like the OP are also pretty standard in response to incidents like this.
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Braindead hackery is the standard Democratic response.
 
Wake said:
How so, Haymarket?
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that you
1 - take it upon your self to decide just who and who is not an identifiable group
2- and then you conclude that because you have made this pronouncement, no racism can be present.

The thinking process there is just amazing.
 
If the losing school had won and there were hecklers shouting USA USA I wonder if there would have been this uproar. Probably not, the hecklers would have been viewed as sore loser and forgotten.
 
Connery said:
If the losing school had won and there were hecklers shouting USA USA I wonder if there would have been this uproar. Probably not, the hecklers would have been viewed as sore loser and forgotten.
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It couldn't be because the context would be vastly different now would it? But I agree, I don't think this incident is very newsworthy, either way. Also, who would be the hecklers if they were sore losers? Wouldn't they be sore winners?

I do however find it hilarious that some believe the USA USA chant isn't racially charged and that the students did it because they were "proud to be American" that is just ridiculous, I don't know how many sporting events you all have been to, but I've never once seen anyone start chanting USA USA when both teams are based in America, that's just redundant. The fact of the matter is that you all are avoiding the context inherent in the situation and instead are crying great injustice, THE COACH of the team immediately afterwards hushed the crowd, now, I wonder why he would do that if it were truly patriotic and not in anyway a pestering chant, eh?
 
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