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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I had the opportunity to sit down with a friend of mine tonight who is not only a journalist, but one who has investigated and written about this story. Albeit in an opinion column. Clearly this is all anecdotal, but as I learned I had some facts wrong and so did others, I thought I would pass it along.

    The "Alamo Whites" chant did occur and the "USA" chant was started in reply to it. The "USA" chant was NOT heard at every game this year. This was something a student claimed but upon investigation it turned out not to be true. It never happened. The coach of the Alamo Heights team immediately quashed the USA chant because he recognized it was offensive. While Alamo Heights did recently play a game against an all white team from an affluent area in Austin, no USA chant was used at this or any other game this year or any other year for that matter. Essentially this was bad behavior by fans of both teams, from the get go.

    Thought I'd share.
    This is information that most of us already knew.

    On a different note, it sure is funny how the poster that tried to lecture me about personal accountability and responsibility, owning up to ones actions, now that he has finally figured out he was not personally attacked ad hominem? He is not practicing what he preached, taking no accountability or responsibility for his actions. Yeah it is kinda funny and obvious as all hell too.

    EDIT: Opps, the Captain has doubled down on stupid. Again. So not only will we not be seeing the Captain quote or point us to all the ad hom personal attacks that did not occur against him, but he won't be taking any responsibility for his dishonest actions either. He is just going to double down on them, keep making the same claim over and over again and hope nobody notices that none of it occurred and hopefully not wonder why he does not just simply quote and post the ad hom attacks that he swears (pinky promise) were made against him. Makes his whole lecture earlier seem irrational and obvious as hell too.
    Poor Gie. STILL can't take responsibility for his actions. Of COURSE you started it... and then whined and complained when you got it back. Here's where you started to get personal. I placed in bold the condescending comment:

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    Only try as I might, I can't decipher the obviously brilliant point hidden within this so called Easter egg.
    So, I responding with some light condescension. So, you continued with some FURTHER attacks, here:

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    Only I will make fun of you for that as well as the idiotic insistence that bringing up the entire premise of your "offense" is supposed to be diversionary. I'm charitable like that.
    So, I responded in kind. And here is where you started whining:

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    By all means please do make fun of me and my b/w thinking and any other adjectives you can come up with. My limitations, education and any other ad homs ya got, that is after all the hallmark of all great master debaters. How else are we to know you have not anything even marginally intelligent left to say at this point? You go "Captain Courtesy"!
    Now, I've seen your posting style here. None of this is any surprise. If you don't like the responses you get, do try not to act so much like a jerk and then refuse to take responsibility for acting like said jerk. Perhaps THEN you won't have cause to whine.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is information that most of us already knew.



    Poor Gie. STILL can't take responsibility for his actions. Of COURSE you started it... and then whined and complained when you got it back. Here's where you started to get personal. I placed in bold the condescending comment:



    So, I responding with some light condescension. So, you continued with some FURTHER attacks, here:



    So, I responded in kind. And here is where you started whining:



    Now, I've seen your posting style here. None of this is any surprise. If you don't like the responses you get, do try not to act so much like a jerk and then refuse to take responsibility for acting like said jerk. Perhaps THEN you won't have cause to whine.
    Now your claim/stance/story has morphed. Now it is that "I started IT" not used ad hom personal insults to attack you, but started "IT". If you wanted to complain that I was being a smart ass, you should just whine about that. On a message board though, that would just be stupid. Like tripling down with not only a lot of stupid, but a lot of dishonest "hackish" stupid.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Now your claim/stance/story has morphed. Now it is that "I started IT" not used ad hom personal insults to attack you, but started "IT". If you wanted to complain that I was being a smart ass, you should just whine about that. On a message board though, that would just be stupid.
    Ah. So you don't know what an ad hom attack is. You do understand that being a "smart ass" is an ad hom attack. Here's a good definition:

    Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself.
    And, there was no complaining from me. I just responded in the same tone as you. AND when I did, YOU whined. Like I've been saying... no responsibility.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Ah. So you don't know what an ad hom attack is. You do understand that being a "smart ass" is an ad hom attack. Here's a good definition:



    And, there was no complaining from me. I just responded in the same tone as you. AND when I did, YOU whined. Like I've been saying... no responsibility.
    Amazingly the only thing you appear capable of in this thread, is contradicting yourself at every turn and doing nothing but complaining about posters and their as you see them flaws and "hackish" comments. The addition of the outright lies and then sudden change of focus from supposed ad hom personal attacks, to who started "IT"? Followed by nothing but what can only be construed as a personal attack that is about me and what was it? My posting style? Not the topic, not the discussion at hand but your personal problems with me?

    Bye Captain Courtesy. You are so full of manure your eyeballs are floating in it.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Amazingly the only thing you appear capable of in this thread, is contradicting yourself at every turn and doing nothing but complaining about posters and their as you see them flaws and "hackish" comments. The addition of the outright lies and then sudden change of focus from supposed ad hom personal attacks, to who started "IT"? Followed by nothing but what can only be construed as a personal attack that is about me and what was it? My posting style? Not the topic, not the discussion at hand but your personal problems with me?

    Bye Captain Courtesy. You are so full of manure your eyeballs are floating in it.
    Ah. No response. You started the snarkiness and ad homs and then complained about the responses you got. And you STILL haven't taken responsibility for your behaviors. Just keep in mind this. You'll get what you give, Gie. If you don't like what you get, try to work on your own behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ah. No response. You started the snarkiness and ad homs and then complained about the responses you got. And you STILL haven't taken responsibility for your behaviors. Just keep in mind this. You'll get what you give, Gie. If you don't like what you get, try to work on your own behavior.
    I apologize for not bothering to read your last post, but the whole take no responsibility meme is already debunked. Not that you would have noticed, as that had something to do with the topic of the thread. Then there is the whole series of post between us where I acknowledged getting some things you said wrong. I even crowned you as I promised I would. Then there is the problem with the fact that tonight I posted *new* admittedly anecdotal information about facts that I had gotten wrong. Don't let the fact that I did all of this in plain sight on a public message board get in the way of your hackish meme though. So at the end of the day, I thank you for withdrawing your claim that I had been personally attacking you ad hom and changing your claim to who started "it". Might even call it something cute, like the Little Rascals Debate. Who started "IT"! You did, no you did. Wait, why are you changing your claim/stance/story? Uhm, never mind?
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Hispanic" isn't a race, therefore, it cannot possibly be racist to say "USA, USA" during a game involving Hispanic students.
    Most people consider it is, although more commonly people now use "Latino."

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Most people consider it is, although more commonly people now use "Latino."
    It has more to do with ethnic identity, than actual race. For instance, there are many blacks that live in South America, but they identify themselves as Latino.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Early in the thread, there were certainly some who said that chanting "USA" was not offensive. One poster who comes to mind is j-mac.
    Where? And remember oh ruler of all context...Let's be sure to include all of my context.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Where? And remember oh ruler of all context...Let's be sure to include all of my context.


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    As you can see by the Captain's recent reluctant posting of the so called examples of me personally attacking him ad hominem, the charge got somewhat watered down once he did a little back tracking and reading. Then it got just feeble when he posted his "proof". Now here you are asking him to quote where you did as he says you did? This should be amusing. Speaking of context, whenever I see a poster on an internet message board trying to psychoanalyze other posters? Sharing with others their keen insights like, you don't accept responsibility for your actions? Based upon an argument or dust up about a political topic on an internet message board? I know we are dealing with a nincompoop that has lost touch with context completely. Which is why I guess these types are always the ones crowing about context. Yip that is the internet for you.

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