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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    I missed where you had IMO paid lip service to both chants being offensive. You missed me saying I found both chants offensive in this situation. But speaking of missing, I seem to have missed where I "started" using the ad homs and got "upset" when you started throwing them back at me. I suspect that this is because you "started" using the ad homs and throwing them at me, not vice versa. So in addition to you being the source of the ad hom personal attacks, we now have you lecturing about what? Responsibility? Yeah I know. It looks completely idiotic, but maybe you were just tired at the time. Or drunk.
    Of course you started the ad homs. And then whined when I responded back in kind. If you don't like it... don't do it. Really is a simple concept. You might want to try using it.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    And yet, that's what you did. So, we know you are hypocritical along with the other things about you that I pointed out. Good to know.



    Shame would denote that you have taken responsibility for your behavior. We already know that is not the case. Dishonest too.
    Oh good lord don't let the fact that I have not dropped any ad hom bombs on you get in the way of your whine. Oh man, the shame I must feel about this nonexistent occurrence. To say nothing of the rank not accepting responsibility for not attacking you with ad homs.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    How is chanting "USA!" racist if said team has been chanting it against every team they've gone to. Factor in that the teams they've faced were of different backgrounds.
    It's easy to argue that the chant isn't racist, but arguing that it isn't racist because they chant it frequently is not even close to a quality argument.

    And more to the point, how is chanting "USA!" even racist? I guess "USA" is a racial slur now?
    Racist is arguable. Depending on context, anything can be USED, key word, USED, to insult another person or group. In this case, "anything" is USA.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Why the **** am I still posted in this thread? So much stupid.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's easy to argue that the chant isn't racist, but arguing that it isn't racist because they chant it frequently is not even close to a quality argument.


    Racist is arguable. Depending on context, anything can be USED, key word, USED, to insult another person or group. In this case, "anything" is USA.
    Respectfully disagreed. If they went around chanting "nigger!" instead of "USA!," then I'd agree with you. "USA!" in itself is not racist, and chanting it at all games supports that they weren't racist.

    I don't see it as racist. When white folk are insulted with "cracker," and such and nothing is really done about that, then cries about "USA!" being racist aren't taken seriously, either. Besides, the hispanic team was first in shouting "Alamo whites." Whatever the case, as Gie mentioned, bother were wrong and immature.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    None of that was mentioned in the article? I hate the news sometimes. They also failed to mention the Alamo Heights students have chanted USA at all the games no matter who they were playing as well as pep rallys.

    I have to agree, what a waist of time.
    No none of that was mentioned in the article. Virtually everything we have learned about the incident regarding the "Alamo Whites" chant and the fact that the "USA" chant has been a season long thing has come from the public and witnesses that were at the game. We learned that the same USA chant was also used at a game against an equally affluent all white team from Austin just weeks before, not from any reporter but from a Alamo Heights student in one of the feedback links in the thread. Some posters in the thread have tried to make hey out of the fact that the kids were using the USA chant, asking why would these kids to do that? For me, I don't really spend too much time trying to figure out why teenagers do what they do. Regardless that the chant had been used all season long, in this situation given in reply to the "Alamo Whites" chant? It was just wrong, both were wrong and clearly could be found offensive.

    IMO the most offensive thing about this whole story is the reporting, or should I say lack of good reporting that got the whole controversy going. Locally the reporter has some egg on his face and has been called out in the paper for it as well as on radio and TV. The "reporter" is the source of the salacious charge of racism, and frankly that is not what I was taught about journalism in college. But then a lot of what passes for "journalism" these days would not pass for it way way way back when I was in college.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Respectfully disagreed. If they went around chanting "nigger!" instead of "USA!," then I'd agree with you. "USA!" in itself is not racist, and chanting it at all games supports that they weren't racist.
    I never said "USA" was in and of itself racist. In fact, I stated the opposite. Neither "nigger" nor "USA" is inherently insulting. Both BECOME insulting depending upon the context in which it was used. In this context, it was insulting. Whether it's racist is arguable as I said. I hope that you'll pay attention to what I said this time.

    Where did they say that they chant "USA" at every game? And why are you taking their word for it?

    I don't see it as racist. When white folk are insulted with "cracker," and such and nothing is really done about that, then cries about "USA!" being racist aren't taken seriously, either. Besides, the hispanic team was first in shouting "Alamo whites." Whatever the case, as Gie mentioned, bother were wrong and immature.
    This has nothing to do with what I said and the "they did it first" whine is less than amusing. Although, the fact that they were chanting "Alamo Whites" just furthers the argument that chanting USA was meant to be insulting.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    No none of that was mentioned in the article. Virtually everything we have learned about the incident regarding the "Alamo Whites" chant and the fact that the "USA" chant has been a season long thing has come from the public and witnesses that were at the game. We learned that the same USA chant was also used at a game against an equally affluent all white team from Austin just weeks before, not from any reporter but from a Alamo Heights student in one of the feedback links in the thread. Some posters in the thread have tried to make hey out of the fact that the kids were using the USA chant, asking why would these kids to do that? For me, I don't really spend too much time trying to figure out why teenagers do what they do. Regardless that the chant had been used all season long, in this situation given in reply to the "Alamo Whites" chant? It was just wrong, both were wrong and clearly could be found offensive.

    IMO the most offensive thing about this whole story is the reporting, or should I say lack of good reporting that got the whole controversy going. Locally the reporter has some egg on his face and has been called out in the paper for it as well as on radio and TV. The "reporter" is the source of the salacious charge of racism, and frankly that is not what I was taught about journalism in college. But then a lot of what passes for "journalism" these days would not pass for it way way way back when I was in college.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Where did they say that they chant "USA" at every game?
    In one of the links early in the thread that fact was brought up by several Alamo Heights students. It was also brought out in the local paper and on the local evening news and radio. The coach of the team has also acknowledged that while his team has used that chant all season long, it was inappropriate in this situation, which is why he ended the chant at the 5 second mark.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    In one of the links early in the thread that fact was brought up by several Alamo Heights students. It was also brought out in the local paper and on the local evening news and radio. The coach of the team has also acknowledged that while his team has used that chant all season long, it was inappropriate in this situation, which is why he ended the chant at the 5 second mark.
    I found one of them using Google. Still don't see how frequency changes things - even one of the students from Alamo Heights said that he thought some of the kids meant it to be offensive.

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