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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I'm curious why the fact that a group of adults and children that chant "Alamo Whites" at a group of predominately "white" high school students (for more than 5 seconds) is by default excused. Much less not being "reported" on. Much less so mentioned. Would not that be just as "offensive" to the self professed "liberal " focus? To say nothing of the so called liberals complicit in this thread?
    Care to cite a case of anyone excusing it? The point -- already raised many times by multiple posters -- is that a chant of "Alamo Whites" would have no bearing on whether or not the "USA" chant was/is racist. Two or more wrongs don't make a right, and -- quite consistently -- there is a systematic effort on the part of those who attempt to trivialize racist oppression.

    This is done when they skip past direct recognition of racism committed against people of color and jump right into saying things like "well isn't X also racist?" (where "X" is some case of racism by persons of color and nearly always implied as a case of magically canceling out some instance of racism by "whites"). The end result in many cases is a successful attempt to keep things slippery, such that the plain fact of racist OPPRESSION -- which is racist action backed by institutional power -- is never plainly discussed. The diversion of blame games, Oppression Olympics (different genuinely oppressed/targeted groups trying to one-up each other in arguments over who is more oppressed), and placating the privileged (i.e. trying to make "white" people comfortable in discussions of racist oppression, trying to make men comfortable in discussions of sexist oppression, etc.) all end up being successfully used to AVOID rather than foster real discussion.

    Witness its use in this thread, which has reached a few hundred posts in length but contains preview few posts honestly acknowledging even the most basic contextual issues (which are kinda important, given that they are what makes the difference between a "USA" chant being annoying but harmless vs. it being virulently racist/jingoist).
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    CC, I think you need to consider the possibility that being immature teens, that if one group started something, that the other group then got revved up and tried to out do them. Doesn't make it right, but it could explain the escalation.
    I don't disagree with you. Doesn't make either group right... however, the issue here is whether what the Alamo kids did was offensive. And it was.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I'm curious why the fact that a group of adults and children that chant "Alamo Whites" at a group of predominately "white" high school students (for more than 5 seconds) is by default excused. Much less not being "reported" on. Much less so mentioned. Would not that be just as "offensive" to the self professed "liberal " focus? To say nothing of the so called liberals complicit in this thread?

    I was joking of course. Nah. I understand exactly what is at work here, it is quite "by the book" and that is obvious as all get out.
    We know what is at work here. Many conservatives in this thread would much prefer to divert the issue, by ONLY addressing what the other kids did, rather than addressing what the Alamo kids did... trying to justify the behavior. No context and no responsibility.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    ...which has reached a few hundred posts in length but contains preview few posts honestly acknowledging even the most basic contextual issues...
    "preview" should of course read precious...not quite sure how that typo/thinko happened but caught it after the Edit Post timer expired.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Care to cite a case of anyone excusing it? The point -- already raised many times by multiple posters -- is that a chant of "Alamo Whites" would have no bearing on whether or not the "USA" chant was/is racist. Two or more wrongs don't make a right, and -- quite consistently -- there is a systematic effort on the part of those who attempt to trivialize racist oppression.

    This is done when they skip past direct recognition of racism committed against people of color and jump right into saying things like "well isn't X also racist?" (where "X" is some case of racism by persons of color and nearly always implied as a case of magically canceling out some instance of racism by "whites"). The end result in many cases is a successful attempt to keep things slippery, such that the plain fact of racist OPPRESSION -- which is racist action backed by institutional power -- is never plainly discussed. The diversion of blame games, Oppression Olympics (different genuinely oppressed/targeted groups trying to one-up each other in arguments over who is more oppressed), and placating the privileged (i.e. trying to make "white" people comfortable in discussions of racist oppression, trying to make men comfortable in discussions of sexist oppression, etc.) all end up being successfully used to AVOID rather than foster real discussion.

    Witness its use in this thread, which has reached a few hundred posts in length but contains preview few posts honestly acknowledging even the most basic contextual issues (which are kinda important, given that they are what makes the difference between a "USA" chant being annoying but harmless vs. it being virulently racist/jingoist).
    I can't locate a single post that addresses the chant except to immediately dismiss it, which is why I said the "Alamo Whites" chant is excused by default. There is a lot of slippery in that slope.

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    We know what is at work here. Many conservatives in this thread would much prefer to divert the issue, by ONLY addressing what the other kids did, rather than addressing what the Alamo kids did... trying to justify the behavior. No context and no responsibility.
    Indeed we do know what is at work here. Most if not all of the liberals in this thread have refused to address much less condemn the (reported at this point 3 minute long) racist "Alamo Whites" chant and instead focus on the 5 second "USA" chant. The fact that the "USA" chant has been heard at every game all season long, even at games against fellow all white affluent schools? No context and no responsibility at all, you are correct. Just a lot of hypocritical lazer beam like focus upon the convenient and the usual shuck jive around the inconvenient.

    You and cmakaioz can probably spare us all the insights you think your clairvoyance gives you into everyone's mindset and inner thoughts on that matter. IMO you should stick to what is actually said by posters versus what you think they are thinking. Though if you really can't help but psychoanalyze posters, you could turn your attention to the inner thoughts and motivations of all the posters in the thread trying to paint the actions of a handful of teenagers (average age at the game was about 14) for 5 seconds into examples of "racism" and all the other salacious pockets of hot gas being shared in the thread, that are at odds with all the facts on the table, er presented in the thread.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Indeed we do know what is at work here. Most if not all of the liberals in this thread have refused to address much less condemn the (reported at this point 3 minute long) racist "Alamo Whites" chant and instead focus on the 5 second "USA" chant. The fact that the "USA" chant has been heard at every game all season long, even at games against fellow all white affluent schools? No context and no responsibility at all, you are correct. Just a lot of hypocritical lazer beam like focus upon the convenient and the usual shuck jive around the inconvenient.
    More conservative diversion. Of course most of the conservative posters in this thread don't want to address the issue... context is difficult for them to understand as we have seen.

    You and cmakaioz can probably spare us all the insights you think your clairvoyance gives you into everyone's mindset and inner thoughts on that matter. IMO you should stick to what is actually said by posters versus what you think they are thinking. Though if you really can't help but psychoanalyze posters, you could turn your attention to the inner thoughts and motivations of all the posters in the thread trying to paint the actions of a handful of teenagers (average age at the game was about 14) for 5 seconds into examples of "racism" and all the other salacious pockets of hot gas being shared in the thread, that are at odds with all the facts on the table, er presented in the thread.
    One does not need to psychoanalyze anything. All one has to do is read the thread. Liberal posters have agreed that both groups were offensive. Conservative posters have mostly avoided condemning the Alamo kids... lack of the ability to see context. It's all here and has been pointed out repeatedly. Of course, those conservative posters who can't see context in the situation, also can't see context in this thread.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I can't locate a single post that addresses the chant except to immediately dismiss it,
    Oh really? Here...I can do it for you:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/120633-racist-texas-high-school-apologizes-fans-usa-chant-after-basketball-game-34.html#post1060288874


    That's a link to the post where I clearly and explicitly stated:

    IF such a chant was ALSO done, then it's also an instance of racism. So what? That has no bearing on whether or not the "USA" chant was/is a case of racism.

    Let's see -- using my advanced math skills to count things up here --

    1+1 doesn't equal ZERO.

    1+1 would equal TWO.

    I must be getting old; I find myself longing for the Good Ol' Days when I remember arguments being based upon some kind of substantive difference of principle instead of dramatic basic failures at logic and math.
    So if you "can't locate a single post that addresses the "Alamo Whites" chant except to immediately dismiss it,"

    then you are either functionally illiterate (either from being unable to read the post in question, or displaying a basic confusion about what 'dismiss' means), or you are lying (in which you are pretending such a post was never written). Which is it?

    Yes or No: do you acknowledge or deny the FACT that there actually IS a post in this thread which does not dismiss the "Alamo Whites" chant?
    Yes or No: do you acknowledge or deny the FACT that the "Alamo Whites" chant is not the topic of the thread?

    If No, then thank you for declaring your dishonesty; it makes sorting posters out much easier.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    More conservative diversion. Of course most of the conservative posters in this thread don't want to address the issue... context is difficult for them to understand as we have seen.



    One does not need to psychoanalyze anything. All one has to do is read the thread. Liberal posters have agreed that both groups were offensive. Conservative posters have mostly avoided condemning the Alamo kids... lack of the ability to see context. It's all here and has been pointed out repeatedly. Of course, those conservative posters who can't see context in the situation, also can't see context in this thread.
    So, we only see context in this thread of we agree with you that chanting USA is racist?

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, we only see context in this thread of we agree with you that chanting USA is racist?
    I think we went through this last week. I do not see that chanting "USA" in this context as racist. I see it as offensive.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Oh really? Here...I can do it for you:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/120633-racist-texas-high-school-apologizes-fans-usa-chant-after-basketball-game-34.html#post1060288874


    That's a link to the post where I clearly and explicitly stated:



    So if you "can't locate a single post that addresses the "Alamo Whites" chant except to immediately dismiss it,"

    then you are either functionally illiterate (either from being unable to read the post in question, or displaying a basic confusion about what 'dismiss' means), or you are lying (in which you are pretending such a post was never written). Which is it?

    Yes or No: do you acknowledge or deny the FACT that there actually IS a post in this thread which does not dismiss the "Alamo Whites" chant?
    Yes or No: do you acknowledge or deny the FACT that the "Alamo Whites" chant is not the topic of the thread?

    If No, then thank you for declaring your dishonesty; it makes sorting posters out much easier.
    No I did not miss it, it is just as you don't self identify as a liberal, I did not include you in my comment about most if not all liberals. Though I'm more than happy to acknowledge your comment. Did you happen to notice mine about both chants being offensive? Or does this make you functionally illiterate?
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