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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Could you please share a link that details this timeline you speak to? If this is all just a misunderstanding as you suggest, then it should be easy to weed out all the "racist" arguments and stop trying to assign blame for this on the teenagers that were there that day, just to play a sport.
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    Students from Schools at Center of 'USA' Chant Uproar Speak Out - War On Patriotism - Fox Nation
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    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Thanks, I will do that. Short on time right now.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If the Mules have been chanting "USA!" every game, why are we talking about this issue?
    The USA chant makes no sense. Are we celebrating the winning team as Americans? and yet the losing team is also American. Are we celebrating EVERYONE who participated? This seems counter-intuitive at any sporting events, especially if you're a fan of that team. Is playing basketball somehow patriotic, if so, I'm unaware of those connections to patriotism.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Thanks, I will do that. Short on time right now.
    This link is also time-line relevant:
    High School Chant of 'USA! USA! USA!' Deemed Racist - War On Patriotism - Fox Nation
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    The USA chant makes no sense. Are we celebrating the winning team as Americans? and yet the losing team is also American. Are we celebrating EVERYONE who participated? This seems counter-intuitive at any sporting events, especially if you're a fan of that team. Is playing basketball somehow patriotic, if so, I'm unaware of those connections to patriotism.
    It may not make sense, but that doesn't necessarily equate to racism, my friend.

    If the mules have been chanting "USA!" throughout their basketball campaign, and that their opponents may have included various races, then there could not have been any racism.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It may not make sense, but that doesn't necessarily equate to racism, my friend.

    If the mules have been chanting "USA!" throughout their basketball campaign, and that their opponents may have included various races, then there could not have been any racism.
    Or, they could have been telling everyone that Alamo Heights are better Americans than everyone else. Still bigotry.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Examination of both your links does confirm that the "USA" chant has been in use all season long. I see nothing in either link about a time line of chronological events related to this story. So again, since the "USA" chant has been used all season long, this seems to be merely a misunderstanding if your suggested timeline is to be taken at face value. The reporter did a piss poor job IMO and is the person who assigned racist motives to the actions of some of the crowd. A good reporter probably would not have done that, a really good journalist would have included relevant facts such as those other reporters have brought forth subsequent to the initial "reporting" and I use that word with my tongue planted firmly in cheek.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Or, they could have been telling everyone that Alamo Heights are better Americans than everyone else. Still bigotry.
    You have an odd understanding of the term Bigotry. So the next time I hear a sports team, or fans of a sports team, say they are #1 or are the best, or better than all the rest, I will what? Be seeing an example of bigotry? No of course I won't, that is just stupid.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Or, they could have been telling everyone that Alamo Heights are better Americans than everyone else. Still bigotry.
    So competition amongst competing teams is bigotry?

    Am I a bigot for booing the Colts?

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    So you think a person having pride in their race or nationality makes them a racist?
    Any treatment of "race" as if it were real is racism, so YES, anyone expressing pride in their "race" is most definitely participating in racism.

    Identifying the PERSON (as opposed to the action) as being a racist is quite another matter. I unclog my toilet from time to time, but I'm never mistaken for a plumber. To me, for someone to BE a racist is distinct from participating in racism. The vast overwhelming majority of people in the U.S. participate in racism. Only a select few within that pool, however, can be said to BE racists -- meaning people who go out of their way to treat "race" as if it were real in their social or professional role (and typically call for doing something about it). A random adult in damn near any city likely participates in racism. You have to look fairly hard, however, to find someone who IS a racist (that's their identity).

    For me, such rare examples would include:

    • David Duke
    • Charles Murray
    • Louis Farrakhan
    • Julius Malema
    • Jared Taylor


    etc.

    Most participants in racism are complicit in -- rather than ideologically committed to -- racism. In other words, they go along with participating in racism because they have little to no means of easily accessing a nonracist alternative.

    Moving on to the completely different issue of nationality, that requires a case-by-case analysis. Nationality is not the same thing as "race," nor even (as so frequently and falsely imagined) the same thing as one's country (which gets confusing, because there are some cases where it is officially treated as the same thing). Sometimes two or more of these coincide, sometimes they are different.

    So is expression of "racial" pride automatically a racist sentiment/action? HELL yes. Is expression of nationalist pride automatically racist? No; we'd need more context.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Just curious, now that more than the initial piss poor reporting of the story has had a chance to be exposed. Does the fact that the USA chant has been made at every single game the Mules have played all year make any difference?
    A possible difference, yes...it means the situation may be even WORSE than first portrayed (i.e. that the implicit racism has been consistent rather than isolated).

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    If in fact the chant "Alamo Whites" was being chanted at the Alamo Heights team, does that have any bearing or "racist" connotations? Probably not, though I do believe Dr_Patrick has hit the proverbial nail upon the head.
    Chanting "Alamo Whites" is indeed racist...but that has no bearing on whether or not, and how, the "USA" chant was/is racist. It's not like they cancel out. Demonstrating racism on the part of the other team would not mean (1-1=0) zero instances of racism, but rather (1+1=2) TWO instances.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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