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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdTerm View Post
    CARLOS FUENTES, ALAMO HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: Whatever the chant is, I mean, you can always find something negative about it. And I do believe that at the very core of the chant, the beginning students, I believe they meant it in an offensive way, but that the rest of the audience that caught on for the few short minutes that it happened didn't mean it in that sense, didn't mean it in any way except, We're so excited that we won, you know, just ecstatic students... I've heard it at other games. We even chanted it the majority of our games. The Lake Travis game, which is a school that is predominantly Caucasian, much in the same way that Alamo Heights is. We chanted it there. We chanted it at the Edison game. And it's just -- it's almost like a basketball tradition.

    According to one student's account, the chant was not entirely racist because it's been heard at many other games and it was not a one-time thing that was directed at Edison on Saturday night.
    What I gathered from those interviews was that the students at Alamo Heights are basically saying two things:

    1) Some students who started chanting USA could have meant to insult, but the rest who joined in did not meant as an insult
    2) Chanting USA is a regular thing they do at basketball games


    1 is possible and probable, while 2 is possible but highly unlikely. I used to teach high school, and I've been to many different school games and never was that a chant that was done, and I have never heard that used in the same way in any school function.

    The ONLY times I have ever heard USA as a chant at similar events were on WWF/WWE or during Olympic sporting events.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    No, it isn't clear, and it is an unproven accusation that wouldn't hold up in ANY court room in the land. But I do love how Progressives/far leftists can now determine intent of thought through the mere reading of a slanted news story.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdTerm View Post
    According to one student's account, the chant was not entirely racist because it's been heard at many other games and it was not a one-time thing that was directed at Edison on Saturday night.
    The number of times it's been done...and the possible direction of it at other groups on other occasions...has absolutely no relevance to whether or not the USA chant can be reasonably construed as racist in the context mentioned for this thread.

    Regardless of speculation about what the chanters backing the Alamo team intended, the fact that both teams are from the USA, and the Alamo supporters started chanting in response to the Alamo team winning the game, carries a crystal clear implication that the other team was either NotAmerican or LessAmerican. This, coupled with the fact that by current standards of "race" mythology in the U.S., the Alamo team was/is predominantly "white" and the other team was/is predominantly Non-"white", this distinction has something to do with identifying one team with the USA and the other as NOT.

    This clear implication was obvious enough to at least the coach and some other school officials, who tried to discourage/cut off the chant...and who later issued an apology.

    But once again, the bulk of the conversation ends up being about trying to make "white" people comfortable instead of about confronting the source and operation of the racism involved.

    Bad intent MAY be involved in acts of racism, but usually is not...and under no circumstance is bad intent REQUIRED for an act to constitute racism. Racism is NOT just a matter of asserting inferiority or superiority of a "race" relative to another; ANY action which treats "race" as real is a case of racism. In this case, the implied notion is that the sloppy equation of "white" identity with nationalism (in which USA = "white") does actually carry an overtone of assertion of superiority (the implicit premise of U.S. nationalism is that there's something good/special about being U.S. American), but even without such an assertion the implication would still be racist.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I always enjoy how extreme conservatives have no understanding of context. They just paint things in black or white, without examining the situation.
    I don't think they lack an understanding of context. They just don't want to see it because they refuse to see past the fact that people are being criticized for chanting "USA" First and foremost, they see that as people being punished for being patriotic. The reason behind them chanting "USA" doesn't even enter into it for them. However, in situations that suit them better, they are all about context. Sadly, the same goes for the other side. They aren't called "partisan blinders" for nothing.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Do you read your own posts?

    It is definitely the case that every display of "white" pride is racist, because "white" is an explicitly racist identity.

    Many (not all) displays of "american pride" (usually implied to mean U.S. American) are partially rooted in racism, because (as is clearly the case here with the USA chant) there is an obvious implication that one (predominantly white) team is representative of the U.S.A., while the other (however defined as "other") is not (or at the very least, than one of them is MORE representative of it...in either case the racist premise is obvious).

    ACTION.
    So you think a person having pride in their race or nationality makes them a racist?

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    His post makes sense. I was in NYC a few years ago and went to a club that a friend knew they were having a dance contest in there. They had the dance crews going it at. Really fun to watch. The final 2 groups that went at it was a group of black kids and a group of puerto ricans. The PR group won, and the crowd, or part of the crowd was getting pretty excited for them and the phrase Boriqua over and over. In case you don't know it means Puerto Rico or puerto rican or something like that. The other group of kids, or any of the other losers or anyone else in that crowd didnt start getting huffy and crying because of them chanting Boriqua. Certainly didn't make the news, and there damn sure weren't a ton of liberals there telling how wrong it was to have pride in the country many of them were from.

    So I want to ask now, do you think those people in the crowd were being racist?
    probably not, but the team who shouted USA was.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    probably not, but the team who shouted USA was.
    Please tell me what the difference is? Why is it ok to have pride it PR but not in the USA?

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Please tell me what the difference is? Why is it ok to have pride it PR but not in the USA?
    no. we both know what their intent was, and you being disengenuous doesn't change that.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no. we both know what their intent was, and you being disengenuous doesn't change that.
    Obviously we don't both know what their intent was. Also you are not answering my question.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Obviously we don't both know what their intent was. Also you are not answering my question.
    that's right, i'm not.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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