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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Oh, I'm sure the kids wore them on that day on purpose. Iirc, a couple had bandanas too. My question is far more fundamental. Why should the American flag be considered disrespectful to Mexico? Why would that be any kind of instigation, especially in the US?
    This isn't difficult to understand. There is nothing disrespectful about ANYTHING in and of itself. There's nothing disrespectful about the word "nigger" in and of itself since it's just a collection of sounds. There's nothing disrespectful about the American flag or chanting "USA" either in and of themselves. Disrespect comes from intent and when you chant "USA" with the intent to imply that Americans aren't American because they are Hispanic, then that is disrespectful. What the Hispanic students choose to do with that disrespect is another story.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    I've already shown that last year against this very same school, another team's fans chanted "USA" and "Arizona" (the state with the infamous law). My guess is that a lot of those kids were from Arizona, because we're all playing dumb, right?
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How ashamed of being American does one have to be to think that a chant of "USA" is a bad thing? Sad dude, real sad.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    You're getting caught up in the term. Racism, although is used to describe bigotry against race primarily, can also be used to describe bigotry, discrimination, and prejudiced used towards any group. There are numerous terms that have the exact same definition as Racism, but is used for specific groups; Homophobia, Xenophobia, Anti-Semetic, etc.

    Racism is the blanket term for all of those variations. So when it is said that the chanting of USA at that school was racist, although it wasn't specifically about race, it was about bigotry and prejudice. That is why the blanket term, racism, is appropriate and accurate.
    I agree that it could have been about bigotry, and it certainly demonstrated prejudice. However, you'll have to provide something in the way of a link to say that "racism" is the blanket term for many variations of bigotry, etc. Using it as such diminishes the value of the word. I'm not saying a lot of people may not use it that way - but, they're using the word incorrectly. And, there are reasons to point out that other types of bigotry exist without trying to lump everything into racism.

    Again, I could be wrong - show me a credible source definition that doesn't say something like "some people use the term", etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    But they weren't chanting the name of their team, or the name of their school. They were chanting USA, which if we follow your line of reasoning, was to show that their own country was better. Which again, leads to the insinuation that the hispanic team were not Americans, despite being from an American high school. The prejudice lies squarely on the ethnic group of the hispanic school/team.
    I've already said they were potentially being ethnocentric, and that there was prejudice. That doesn't make them racist. If I think I'm better than you (not saying I do) - even if I'm wrong - even if I'm bigoted about it - it doesn't make me a racist. I don't even know what race you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    You do realize your post is meaningless to the story right? there are blacks in Germany too your point?
    I never specified what race and ethnicity is did I?
    Did you see the words "isnt exactly" in my post? So there was nothing off beat LOL. Common sense will tell you people who scream white power would never be proud over Kenya winning something because theres SOME whites in kenya.

    Also just to further educated you, since as you claimed you are clearly NOT an expert, a race of people BY DEFINITION can also be any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc OR ethnic stock. Race is not ALWAYS the anthropology version of only 3 or 4.

    Respectfully you might want to read what is actually posted and instead of assuming off a baseless guess you might want to ask next time and it in fact could be deemed racist and "probably" was by some. Too funny.
    Post the source for your "DEFINITION". I dispute it.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I agree that it could have been about bigotry, and it certainly demonstrated prejudice. However, you'll have to provide something in the way of a link to say that "racism" is the blanket term for many variations of bigotry, etc. Using it as such diminishes the value of the word. I'm not saying a lot of people may not use it that way - but, they're using the word incorrectly. And, there are reasons to point out that other types of bigotry exist without trying to lump everything into racism.

    Again, I could be wrong - show me a credible source definition that doesn't say something like "some people use the term", etc.



    I've already said they were potentially being ethnocentric, and that there was prejudice. That doesn't make them racist. If I think I'm better than you (not saying I do) - even if I'm wrong - even if I'm bigoted about it - it doesn't make me a racist. I don't even know what race you are.
    Well, I can't argue with you, if your position on this is as a purist. I can't offer you links to specific definitions to the term racism to show that "officially" it's a blanket term, but I'll hope you'll humor me with some of my anecdotal references:

    During a history course, whether it was in college or high school, my instructors taught about Racism in the US throughout the Revolutionary War, up until the Civil Rights Movement. The use of the term Racism, was used generally to describe how the establishment treated the myriad of ethnicities that were found in the US. They range from Irish to Polish to African to Chinese to South Americans to Russians and to Native Americans, and so forth.

    Some times racism refers to specific races, but sometimes it refers to a certain ethnic group. Such as Native Americans; there used to be hundreds, if not thousands, of different tribes. Each with their own specific language and culture. But my instructors would use the term racism to illustrate the bigotry that Americans had against Native Americans. Further illustrating the point, my instructors would point out that Americans believed that they were superior because the color of their skin was lighter than everyone elses.

    So you see, in practice the term Racism is not used only to refer to races, but also different ethnic groups, and also discrimination by skin color (quite different from race specifically). But, of course, that's if your willing to accept my anecdotal references.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    What is really a shame is that there are people like you who cannot see how this is even remotely prejudiced against the hispanic kids, when the example provided is quite clear.

    No, it isn't clear, and it is an unproven accusation that wouldn't hold up in ANY court room in the land. But I do love how Progressives/far leftists can now determine intent of thought through the mere reading of a slanted news story.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    You do realize your post is meaningless to the story right? there are blacks in Germany too your point?
    I never specified what race and ethnicity is did I?
    Did you see the words "isnt exactly" in my post? So there was nothing off beat LOL. Common sense will tell you people who scream white power would never be proud over Kenya winning something because theres SOME whites in kenya.

    Also just to further educated you, since as you claimed you are clearly NOT an expert, a race of people BY DEFINITION can also be any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc OR ethnic stock. Race is not ALWAYS the anthropology version of only 3 or 4.

    Respectfully you might want to read what is actually posted and instead of assuming off a baseless guess you might want to ask next time and it in fact could be deemed racist and "probably" was by some. Too funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Post the source for your "DEFINITION". I dispute it.
    Dispute it all you want you are wrong.

    Race | Define Race at Dictionary.com

    race
    noun
    1.a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
    2.a population so related.
    3.Anthropology a.any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
    3 b.an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
    3c.a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
    4.a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
    5.any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.

    6.the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
    7.Zoology . a variety; subspecies.
    8.a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
    9.any group, class, or kind, especially of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.

    Race - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    race
    noun
    Definition of RACE
    1: a breeding stock of animals
    2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
    3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : breed c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

    So as I was saying the anthropology versions are not the only ones used nor are they even the common one used in today's world.


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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    It is overly sensitive and political correctness gone crazy to think chanting "USA, USA, USA" is racist. Even if the opponent high school were all illegal immigrants (although that is a possibility) there is no way that chant is racist. Although, it may be patriotic (is that bad according to the self-appointed, and somewhat fascist, PC police?).

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    CARLOS FUENTES, ALAMO HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: Whatever the chant is, I mean, you can always find something negative about it. And I do believe that at the very core of the chant, the beginning students, I believe they meant it in an offensive way, but that the rest of the audience that caught on for the few short minutes that it happened didn't mean it in that sense, didn't mean it in any way except, We're so excited that we won, you know, just ecstatic students... I've heard it at other games. We even chanted it the majority of our games. The Lake Travis game, which is a school that is predominantly Caucasian, much in the same way that Alamo Heights is. We chanted it there. We chanted it at the Edison game. And it's just -- it's almost like a basketball tradition.

    According to one student's account, the chant was not entirely racist because it's been heard at many other games and it was not a one-time thing that was directed at Edison on Saturday night.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I didn't mean to sound as if I was arguing with you. I was attempting to continue your thought. Sorry.
    Ah, ok. Sorry if I came off too strong, but I was looking at it like ???.
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