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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Your comments did infer that I was a racist and were a personal attack which I find quite distasteful on your part.
    Not in the least. I challenged you to look at how context fits into the scenario.

    I am looking at the facts of the incident in context with the history of the school and the comments USA USA Arizona Arizona. I am looking at who said what to whom , the specific actors involved, whether the school endorsed this behavior and how long this behavior was allowed to go on. What I find is that, while those students may have been racially motivated or may not, the school quelled such activity. That is key here.
    Actually, that's not what you were doing, earlier, at all. Here... let me remind you:

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    The students from the losing school were from the United States it appears. I would hear this a overt act of nationalism and nothing more. Perhaps the other school should not be sore losers and accept that if they are to be considered Americans they should not take every word stated at a basketball game as a racial slight.

    Point is if you consider yourself American then no one can tell you that you are not. Nonsense and oversensitivity.
    Here, you dismiss the scenario as being an act of nationalism (which makes no sense since both teams were from the US), and ignore the context of what occurred.

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    This what occurred, some student members who were in the stands stated USA USA. They were reprimanded and the other team received an apology. It really is that simple.
    Here, you simplify the situation to ignore what the reasons might be for students to chant "USA, USA" when both teams are from the USA. No "questioning" of whether there is racial motivation.

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    If the losing school had won and there were hecklers shouting USA USA I wonder if there would have been this uproar. Probably not, the hecklers would have been viewed as sore loser and forgotten.
    And here, you AGAIN ignore context of why the students might have chanted what they did, not addressing whether there was racial motivation or not.

    So, no, perhaps you are doing what you are claiming NOW, but from the posts that I commented on, you did not.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Not in the least. I challenged you to look at how context fits into the scenario.
    This is a change in your tenor. Bottom line no one call me a racist.



    Actually, that's not what you were doing, earlier, at all. Here... let me remind you:



    Here, you dismiss the scenario as being an act of nationalism (which makes no sense since both teams were from the US), and ignore the context of what occurred.



    Here, you simplify the situation to ignore what the reasons might be for students to chant "USA, USA" when both teams are from the USA. No "questioning" of whether there is racial motivation.



    And here, you AGAIN ignore context of why the students might have chanted what they did, not addressing whether there was racial motivation or not.

    So, no, perhaps you are doing what you are claiming NOW, but from the posts that I commented on, you did not.
    I have been analyzing this and looking at different motivations, scenarios and attempting to discuss and a level where all possible avenues could be seen, as other posters have. While racism is alive as well in the US and throughout the world not every comment can be taken on the same level. We do not know exactly why those several student said what they said . Were they freshman, what level were they, how old were they, did they actually mean it to be racist, what did the school do. More importantly , what impact does this have on those receiving the message and how does their school assist them in processing and overcoming this situation and those words which clearly have a history.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is a change in your tenor. Bottom line no one call me a racist.
    Bottom line I didn't call you a racist; that would be an idiotic assumption, completely baseless. Not something I do. And my tenor is nearly always confrontational to one degree or another.

    I have been analyzing this and looking at different motivations, scenarios and attempting to discuss and a level where all possible avenues could be seen, as other posters have. While racism is alive as well in the US and throughout the world not every comment can be taken on the same level. We do not know exactly why those several student said what they said . Were they freshman, what level were they, how old were they, did they actually mean it to be racist, what did the school do. More importantly , what impact does this have on those receiving the message and how does their school assist them in processing and overcoming this situation and those words which clearly have a history.
    OK, well THIS is a different tenor than you had earlier. Reasonable questions and explorations.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Bottom line I didn't call you a racist; that would be an idiotic assumption, completely baseless. Not something I do. And my tenor is nearly always confrontational to one degree or another.
    In all situations, interpretation in the mind of the beholder. What has been said cannot be taken away, only explained. Such is the situation in the OP.



    OK, well THIS is a different tenor than you had earlier. Reasonable questions and explorations.
    I ask questions Captain. I try, painstaking , to find out what the true meaning of what transpired especially when it come to teenagers, racism and the rights of others. I would think DB is the place to do it...

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yes... and it sounds like you would not consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not.
    I'd agree that things should always be taken in context. I always say that details do matter, and I think I do understand what you're getting at. You're not saying we must agree that chanting "USA" is patently offensive, you're just saying to look at all the circumstances before drawing any conclusions. Is that right?

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Racism may be strong a term. How about "These students are COMPLETE ****ING MORONS who need a lesson in remedial geography." I weep for the educational system in Texas, if this is what it produces.
    The Edison kids should have chanted USA louder....
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    SAISD Response to Edison-Alamo Heights Game Incident | News - Home

    Apparently there may be more to this story than the articles reveal. Read the comments below the article.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    SAISD Response to Edison-Alamo Heights Game Incident | News - Home

    Apparently there may be more to this story than the articles reveal. Read the comments below the article.

    curious. what do we now know after reading that story that we did not know before?
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, it's obvious, isn't it? You chant USA at the other school because you don't believe their students are 'Real Americans'. It's the standard Republican response to hispanics. Post like the OP are also pretty standard in response to incidents like this.
    If that's what they intended, then yes. It's quite racist. To suggest chant "USA" in opposition to a team made up of a different race to suggest that they are not real Americans based on their race is racist. If, however, the chant was not meant for that purpose, and the coach jumped the gun in silencing people who were just displaying some affection for their country, then the coach was in the wrong.

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