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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Really? So, it really doesn't matter what someone says, if someone takes offense to it, that makes it offensive?
    Didn't say that.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Didn't say that.
    Sorry, CC, I'm trying to cut to the chase here. Don't you think there's room for reasonable minds to differ on what is or isn't offensive?

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Sorry, CC, I'm trying to cut to the chase here. Don't you think there's room for reasonable minds to differ on what is or isn't offensive?
    Sure, but that too depends on context. Let's take this situation for example. The folks who don't see this situation as offensive are ignoring context. Pretty obvious in every post. Would you consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not?
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Sure, but that too depends on context. Let's take this situation for example. The folks who don't see this situation as offensive are ignoring context. Pretty obvious in every post. Would you consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not?
    Well that depends, I think. Context is important if we're talking about something being subjectively offensive. Content is more important for things that could be said to be objectively offensive. For example, someone who disdains Christianity could call me Christian and mean it in the worst possible way, and subjectively, I may even find it insulting in the way they used or said it, yet objectively, the word itself is not offensive. By the same token, I may not take offense to something that's a clear insult. See what I mean?
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    This was a school sponsored activity, the team was not involved with shouting USA USA. It was some student spectators. The school representatives discouraged that behavior and hushed the crowd. The shouting of USA USA for whatever reason is hardly a blip on anyone s screen except the media's and those who wish to fortify the wall of hate and create further tension. All parties have a responsibility to rise above this situation and move on while never forgetting there are those whose hate is racially base, but, place this situation in perspective and heal.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Sure, but that too depends on context. Let's take this situation for example. The folks who don't see this situation as offensive are ignoring context. Pretty obvious in every post. Would you consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not?
    Apparently the coach of the "white" team tried to hush the crowd.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well that depends, I think. Context is important if we're talking about something being subjectively offensive. Content is more important for things that could be said to be objectively offensive. For example, someone who disdains Christianity could call me Christian and mean it in the worst possible way, and subjectively, I may even find it insulting in the way they used or said it, yet objectively, the word itself is not offensive. By the same token, I may not take offense to something that's a clear insult. See what I mean?
    Yes... and it sounds like you would not consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    Point is that your point is irrelevant.
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    Actually, it isn't that simple. It's only that simple to those who choose to ignore why that might happen.
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    You still seem to be ignoring context... not coincidentally.

    All the above are without any basis whatsoever and are inferring that I am a racist which is rather unfortunate as you have no idea who I am, what I stand for and actually what I have done regarding civil rights in my lifetime.

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    Hate and racial tension are big business for civil rights law firms.
    The school, through it's employees, stopped those few students who were not part of the team from continuing. If the school allowed this to continue then I see a problem. That is what a law firm would look at.

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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    All the above are without any basis whatsoever and are inferring that I am a racist which is rather unfortunate as you have no idea who I am, what I stand for and actually what I have done regarding civil rights in my lifetime.
    This comment is ironic. I never inferred you were a racist, nor do I believe that. Firstly, I don't know you well enough to assume anything like that about you, and secondly, I've already said in this thread that what occurred was not racism.

    Beyond that, you did not comment on the content of what I said. Your comments ignored context of what occurred.
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    Re: Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

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    This comment is ironic. I never inferred you were a racist, nor do I believe that. Firstly, I don't know you well enough to assume anything like that about you, and secondly, I've already said in this thread that what occurred was not racism.

    Beyond that, you did not comment on the content of what I said. Your comments ignored context of what occurred.
    Your comments did infer that I was a racist and were a personal attack which I find quite distasteful on your part.

    I am looking at the facts of the incident in context with the history of the school and the comments USA USA Arizona Arizona. I am looking at who said what to whom , the specific actors involved, whether the school endorsed this behavior and how long this behavior was allowed to go on. What I find is that, while those students may have been racially motivated or may not, the school quelled such activity. That is key here.

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