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McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

I agree with DiAnna, either way we lose. The majority sunni population is aligned with al Qaeda and the Alawi Shia Assad regime is aligned with the nut jobs in Iran. Lets supply the sunni with weapons so they can kill each other.
 
Oh yeah, they're competing for similar interests.

Excuse me, they hate each other, they don't trust each other. They are Persians and Arabs, Shiites and Sunnis have been killing each other for centuries.
 
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Excuse me, they hate each other, they don't trust each other. They are Persians and Arabs, Shiites and Sunnis have been killing each other for centuries.


I was agreeing with you and I'm aware of who they are. They both want regional control is what I was alluding to but carry on.
 
Ok, I misunderstood you.

No prob. I knew you must of took it wrong. :)

Saw a an article where the Saudi's want nukes now, so I didn't figure it was to play nice.
 
This is far from a civil war. It started as a peaceful protest movement and the Assad regime started murdering people in the streets.
Ok excuse me. Its not a civl war yet.
The uprising.
The US should not get involved in other peoples uprisings.

Its been going on for over a year now and the cowards at the UN refuse to pass a resolution condemning Assad.
You obviously dont know how the UNSC works.

This man is killing his own population including women and children.
Yep... He is. Its terrible.

He should be brought up on war crimes charges.
I agree. But how? I say we let his own people deal with it. We are not the worlds police man.

How is he any different than Slobodon Milosovic?
Irrelevant

Why was it necessary to intervine in Serbia but not in Syria? When this started Assads was attempting to quash an uprising now he is attempting to clense his country of sunni muslims. The world looks on while a tyrant commits genocide. This is not a civil war.
Excuse me.. Uprising
Why did Libya get the gold package while Egypt got the hush hush? Oh yea i forogt... Mubarak was our guy....
 
Why doesn't McCain want to intervene in Africa? What are his 'special interests' in Syria?
 
We are not the world's policeman.

You're right.

Which is why it would be nice if Europe showed some balls and moral courage every once in a while on the world stage.
 
You're right.

Which is why it would be nice if Europe showed some balls and moral courage every once in a while on the world stage.

with what? Europe utterly lacks the ability to project force sans US help. they spent all that money on their bloated welfare states.
 
At a time when the last thing the republicans need is one more glaring reason why we should all be happy Obama won the last election, McCain steps up to the mound and delivers a slow, arching pitch to be delivered to the bleachers in far center field.

Good lord John....why not just come out and tell people to vote democrat in the next election.
 
Why doesn't McCain want to intervene in Africa? What are his 'special interests' in Syria?

Syria is a major strategic piece in the region. toppling that regime would severely curtail Iranian operations.
 
with what? Europe utterly lacks the ability to project force sans US help. they spent all that money on their bloated welfare states.

Which is why they need to start building up their own military capabilities.
 
Does any think Johnny Quest McCain is just Huffing and a Puffing before Netanyahu speaks to Congress today? He has backed the Libyan play as well as that New Form of Democracy in Egypt.
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Wonder if anyone has checked on him medically lately. It is high time McCain was sent out to pasture. I think he may have alzheimers.(sp)
 
You're right.

Which is why it would be nice if Europe showed some balls and moral courage every once in a while on the world stage.

Libya ringing any bells?
 
Honestly...I don't know how anybody could support the Libyan people and not the Syrian people. They are performing executions and conducting artillary strikes on civilians.
 
Syria is a major strategic piece in the region. toppling that regime would severely curtail Iranian operations.

I don't think that is clear for a number of reasons:

1) Who would take over a post-Assad Syria? No specific names are known.
2) Is the leader-in-waiting legitimate and could he/she exert sufficient control to maintain stability? No specific leader is known, so that question is unresolved.
3) What specific policies toward the U.S., U.S. regional interests, and U.S. regional allies would be undertaken? No government-in-waiting exists, so that's not clear either.
4) What institutional structure would assure that Syria would not disintegrate, leading to further regional destablization and developments that could lead to opportunities that could be exploited by Iran or Iran's non-state allies?

The outcomes in Egypt and Libya did not lead to liberal democracy. To date, there's no concrete evidence that the materially enhanced U.S. interests. Indeed, the early developments in Egypt have raised concerns about the Egypt-Israel peace agreement that is of major importance to U.S. regional interests. Fortunately, Egypt's military has applied the brakes to the kind of rapid transformation that could have taken Egypt down a path that would be even worse for U.S. interests. In Libya, the post-Gadhafi government has done little to bolster U.S. interests and has continued to protect the Lockerbie bomber from extradition.

IMO, the absence of clear answers to the above four questions and lack of compelling U.S. interests that would override that ambiguity suggest that the U.S. should not intervene militarily. The Assad regime's brutality is not sufficient to warrant a military response that would not lead to a marked enhancement of U.S. interests or those of its regional allies (moderate Arab states + Israel). In the end, I fully agree that Syria is a major strategic piece (relationships vis-a-vis Iran, non-state actors in the region, and Lebanon), but don't see U.S. military intervention dramatically changing Syria's strategic role in the region on account of a lack of identifiable and legitimate successor government-in-waiting. As a result, military intervention would amount to a roll of the dice, with only the hope that a successor government would be better for U.S. interests.
 
Well, they did let us Lead the Way for them.....First!
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Yep, they let us lead for a few days and then they took over the show.
 
The outcomes in Egypt and Libya did not lead to liberal democracy. To date, there's no concrete evidence that the materially enhanced U.S. interests.

It's been less than a year. True...we're not sure how exactly it will turn out but uncertainty isn't a reason (imo) to sit on the sidelines while dictators kill people. I mean...that is the whole basis behind why we are exceptional. We're supposedly a country that pushes Democracy and the right of individuals to freely choose their governments...we're supposed to be different from past empires that supported proxy dictators.
 
As we've seen in Egypt and Libya, deposing dictators does not guarantee a democracy. All it guarantees is a temporary void in leadership, when anarchy and chaos reign.

Let me know when the new regimes end elections and start bombing civilians with the air force.
 
Honestly...I don't know how anybody could support the Libyan people and not the Syrian people. They are performing executions and conducting artillary strikes on civilians.

I don't think it's a question of not supporting the Syrian people. Rather, it seems to me, it's a question of how difficult the mission would be. In Libya the rebels made some legitimate military gains on their own, indicating that they could do the heavy lifting if they just had air support. In Syria ... not so much.
 
I don't think it's a question of not supporting the Syrian people. Rather, it seems to me, it's a question of how difficult the mission would be. In Libya the rebels made some legitimate military gains on their own, indicating that they could do the heavy lifting if they just had air support. In Syria ... not so much.

Sure...that's true, Syria is smaller more Urbanized, their population may not have as much access to weapons. At the same time, we remove any chance of retaliation against the Syraian regime and we're basically a toothless tiger telling Syria they really need to act like good guys.
 
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